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# The Architects of Talmudic Dialectical Logic I

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## The Architects of Talmudic Dialectical Logic I: Talmudic Principles on Retroactive Disqualification, Lesson 3

In this intellectually stimulating Talmud class we attempt to unlock the underlying logic behind Abaye and Rava’s argument.
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Davit Janashia September 24, 2017

I have one question:
If first pair of witnesses say: " on this date xx/yy/zz at a time 17:00 in the place "X" we saw how the two people made agreement."
Now, 2 ways to tell the same thing from second pair of witnesses:

1. on exact same time the first pair of witnesses were with us in the bar!
or
2. the first pair of witnesses couldn't be the witnesses of that fact because they were with us in the bar at that time, SO THEY ARE LIARS"

Davit Janashia Janashia September 24, 2017

I have one question:
If first pair of witnesses say: " on this date xx/yy/zz at a time 17:00 in the place "X" we saw how the two people made agreement."
Now, 2 ways to tell the same thing from second pair of witnesses:

1. on exact same time the first pair of witnesses were with us in the bar!
or
2. the first pair of witnesses couldn't be the witnesses of that fact because they were with us in the bar at that time, SO THEY ARE LIARS"

Will these two answers have different consequences?

because, assume the second pair ask to court:
- "did they tell that on that time they were witnesses of that event?"
- The court answers : "yes"
- second pair of witnesses tell: "so the first pair of witnesses are liers and so they could not be valid witnesses" Reply

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