Get Think Jewish Delivered to your Home or Office
HOME | CONTACT US | DONATE LoginLOGIN Ask the RabbiASK THE RABBI
Chabad.org - Torah, Judaism and Jewish Info
 
Chabad.org » The Jewish Woman » Dear Rachel » Dating » Conversion and Marriage
Dear Rachel
PrintSend this page to a friendShare this
Comment44 Comments

Conversion and Marriage


Dear Rachel,

I am going through the process of an Orthodox conversion in order to marry the man I love, whose family wishes us to be married in an Orthodox synagogue.

However, I have found that the process is something I would have eventually done on my own. I have always gravitated towards this life prior to meeting him. I was born into a non-religious home. Now I find myself living a wonderful observant life, but my fiancé is not interested in living in such a way. He really only wanted me to go through this process for the wedding.

How do I reconcile this separation? While we do not live together yet, he has already expressed concerns about my desire to adhere to kashrut (Jewish dietary laws), family purity and the Sabbath laws. I am very confused and concerned about the future of our marriage.

I should mention that we are both making large sacrifices to be with each other. He is even moving to another country to be with me, and we do love each other very, very much.

Thank you,
K.S.B.



Dear K.S.B.,

Thank you so much for sending in your question. You should know that what you are describing is actually a fairly common situation. I have heard a number of stories where the partner converting is actually the one who desires to adhere to the laws, whereas the Jewish partner doesn’t.

There are two different issues here, that are actually very connected as well. The first is the concept of conversion within Judaism, whereas the second issue is how you relate to your boyfriend and potential husband.

In terms of conversion, a person is allowed to convert, and is considered a true convert, only when there is no ulterior motive, and it is purely for the sake and desire of living a Torah-observant life. This is why an Orthodox conversion is so difficult to obtain, and why the potential convert is often pushed away. The goal is to ascertain that the person truly desires this way of life and will pursue it regardless of the difficulty.

From what you describe, it sounds like this is your situation. While perhaps your boyfriend was the actual push to make you think about conversion, it appears that your motives and reasons are because of your attachment to Judaism and its way of life, and not solely based on appeasing your boyfriend or his family.

In the Talmud a convert is called a “ger who nitgayer,” literally meaning “a convert who converted.” The question is asked: why doesn’t it say, as we might expect, “a non-Jew who converted”? The explanation given is that a Jew is one who was born to a Jewish mother, and therefore inherits that Jewish soul. A true convert has the greatest test of all, since that person was also born with a Jewish soul, but was born to a non-Jewish mother. Therefore, a true convert was born with this Jewish element and potential, and simply needed to undergo conversion to reveal it.

So, basically, if you are to convert for the sole sake of your boyfriend, with no intention or desire to live a Jewish life, in actuality your conversion is problematic and possibly invalid. Therefore, from the point of view of Jewish law, you have no option other than to mean what you say, and to convert if you feel that you truly have that Jewish soul and want to live a Jewish life.

The second issue is broader, in a way, and has to do with what happens when two people want very different things in life. From what you describe, it appears that the things you value, find attractive, would want to observe, keep, include and develop in your life vary greatly from those that your boyfriend would. Perhaps the problem is that he hasn’t had the opportunity to learn and find the beauty in Judaism himself, and therefore isn’t attached. But this is a real, serious issue.

As I am sure you know, while love is vital in a relationship, it is not enough to make a relationship thrive and grow. What is essential to a relationship is a common vision and goal, since even though we change as time passes, we need to know that we are headed in the same direction. This is going to be all the more relevant if you have children, as then it is not just about what each of you choose to do as individuals, but how you want to raise your family and how your home will be.

I think that it is vital that the two of you really speak about how you see your futures, what is important to you and why. It is not merely about whether or not you keep a kosher kitchen, but why this is something you would want to do. What is it about keeping kosher that you find beautiful? Because, ultimately, when it comes to these fundamental aspects of your life, you need to have a mutual respect and understanding. Granted, there are couples to whom this happens after they are married, and then they have to work through these differences, but that is very different than entering a marriage with such a gap.

I think you also need to really ask yourself if you would continue with the learning and the conversion if it were not for him. If you were to break up, would you still want to convert? Because if the answer is no, then you need to be honest with yourself and recognize that being deceitful about something like this is not a great way to start a marriage. Even if your boyfriend doesn’t care, you have to recognize that there is no purpose to “converting” if it is all based on falsehood.

And if you would convert regardless of your relationship, then your boyfriend and his family need to be aware of your interest in Judaism, and to understand that this is not a game, but a part of you and something that you want acknowledged and celebrated in your life.

I wish you much hatzlachah (good fortune) in this journey.

PrintSend this page to a friendShare this
Comment44 Comments

Answered by Sara Esther Crispe   More articles...  |   RSS Listing of Newest Articles by this Author

"Dear Rachel" is a bi-weekly column that is answered by a rotating group of experts. This question was answered by Sara Esther Crispe.

Sara Esther Crispe, a writer, inspirational speaker and mother of four, is the editor of TheJewishWoman.org. To book Sara Esther for a speaking engagement, please click here.


The content on this page is copyrighted by the author, publisher and/or Chabad.org, and is produced by Chabad.org. If you enjoyed this article, we encourage you to distribute it further, provided that you comply with the copyright policy.
 

44 Comments Posted  |  Post A Comment
Reader Comments
Latest Comments:
Posted: Feb 9, 2012
Conversion & Marriage
Dear KSB:
Sara has given your excellent advice. All I would add to it is that you must understand there is a giant chasm between you and your fiance. If he is not interested is anything than a secular life, and you love HaShem and show it by your lifestyle, the two of you are headed for disaster in your marriage. If he does not fall in love with G-d and Judaism and see the beauty of spirituality and holiness, you will be miserable. Your children will be confused at the very least, and will much more easily assimilate into secular society. My advice is simple: continue your conversion process, but do not marry this man.
Posted By Dennis Worthington, Alamogordo, NM

Posted: Feb 9, 2012
Single Orthodox Converts
This is a very interesting topic,especially because I know several women who converted to Judaism and were not involved with anyone Jewish at the time and have never married!I am one of them and I underwent an Orthodox conversion in Jerusalem 30 years ago.

One friend converted with the Eda Charedit in Mea Shearim and fell away.first from observance and lastly from even saying that she was Jewish.She has returned to her goyish roots.We both converted about the same time.

The other friend converted first Reform,then Conservative and finally Orthodox because most of her friends were Orthodox and they couldn't in good conscience make a shidduch for her when she wasn't Jewish according to Halacha.She is 54,heartbroken and still trying to get married.She lives in Brooklyn and is very active in pursuing her goal.

I have lived in Israel 12 years and will never get over the fact that I never married and never had children.Looking back I can't say that I would convert as a single.
Posted By Anonymous, Jerusalem, Israel

Posted: Feb 8, 2012
If you believe in a goal be proud of it. (Part 2 )
I couldn 't finnish my story, thus made part 2


SHE IS A convert and encounterd similar marital issues, she is more or less my age. We both are over the 55 . We love each other dearly and plan on marrying as soon everything is setled. She is moving to me from Israel to the Netherlands.
As soon as I retire and get my retirment we plan on going back to Israel to age and die overthere.
You see beeing a "GER/GIORET" has its grace and beauty and if you trully believe.
You are been rewarded by "HASHEM".
You belief is not in what you show but in what you carry in your hart & mind.
I am a proud JEW and will die beeing one.
"HA SHEM ELOKEINOE"
Posted By Reinier Verly, Valkenswaard, Netherlands

Posted: Feb 8, 2012
If you believe in a goal be proud of it.
I my self was very interested in religeon from early age. Weirdly enough from all the " people of the book " as Moslims would say (Jews, Christians & Moslims) the jewish mind lured me the most.
I can 't explain why, but deffenetly the Jewish mind (religeon & way of life) is the source of all 3 of them.
During my stay in Israel in 1973 the Jom Kipoer warr bursted out and I did started my "Gioer" with the help of Rav Goren (may his soul rest in peace). I did met shortly after a "Tsabariet" and we got married.
I was luckilly married for 20 years, but sadly enough we grew appart and divorced.
We are the best friends, so no bad feelings.
Now to the point, I spent 12 years hoping and waiting for an answerr from "Hashem".
And thought I was destined not to find a fitting partner. But no "Hashem" had other plans. During my last visit in Israel I met a women that weirdly enough had a lot of simmilarities in evolution as I.
===See part 2===
Posted By Reinier Verly, Valkenswaard, Netherlands

Posted: Feb 8, 2012
I relate
I am a Jew and my wife converted to Judaism and i can relate to your husband. I come from a non-observant family, never had a kosher household. I also felt at first scared about the prospect of living an observant life because it was something new to me. But i was lucky enough to have participated very actively in her conversion process (3yrs in total). And this process was extremely useful for me as well because i learned things i had never learned before due to my family's non-observant choice. Going throught the process with her gave meaning to everything. But the biggest motivation of all was to see someone i love and respect give value to something i always had but never gave the proper value, which is being a Jew. She went through so much effort and with such a big dedication to convert that it made me give the jewish religion its proper value and now we are observant. It was truly a divine process for both of us.
Posted By Anonymous, NY

Posted: Feb 8, 2012
Conversion
Since the lady in question is going through conversion, may i suggest to her that she take a look at separating from from her Jewish friend for a period of two months and if the man still does not show interest in returning to Judaism. she could concentrate on the conversion program and be free to marry a fine proper Jewish man or a convert who went through the process. I will also mention that in Toronto i recently reviewed a story of a convert in a Jewish magazine calledd IRAYNU a fascinating story ...of a man whose father was jewish and his mother was not.
Posted By David Aharon Lndzon, Toronto, ON Canada

Posted: Feb 8, 2012
Continue with your conversion and dump the fiance
To be honest K.S.B I think you need to lay it on the line. Either he is supportive and starts praying regularly himself and going to classes and participating fully in an observant lifestyle or you are setting yourself up for heartbreak. Continue your conversion and lay it on the line. If he says no, then you know where he can go. The Jewishness of your children depends on you.
Posted By Ilana Leeds , Melbourne, VIC

Posted: Feb 7, 2012
many in this situation
From reading the comments it seems that there are many people (including myself) who are in a similar difficult situation -- wanting to convert Orthodox but being in a relationship with a Jew who is not ready to commit, or already having converted and being disappointed with the spouse's enthusiasm. I corresponde with a chassidic rabbi a few years ago about this issue, and he recommended to me to spend an hour a day begging Hashem to open my wife's heart to a more observant lifestyle. I think that is good advice (even if I haven't always done the whole hour!), and indeed we are making progress. If we all pray for guidance and for changes in our spouse, Hashem will surely grant our prayers in some way or other. As the Lubavitcher Rebbe said (see Gutnick edition Chumash p. 428), Jews should think of prayer (along with Torah study) as our "profession," something we're engaged in constantly. May we all have happy and kosher marriages!
Posted By Yirmiyahu, Midwest, USA

Posted: Feb 7, 2012
To Kathy and Chava...Sumati and all of you
Conversion is NOT hocus-pocus. If you did not have a strictly Orthodox Conversion then you are not considered to be Jewish according to Jewish Law and Torah. There are minimal requirements for a proper conversion: 1. That the conversion be done by an Orthodox Board of Rabbis 2. You observe Shabbat 3. You observe the law of separation/mikvah/family purity every single month. 4. You keep kosher both inside and outside the home.
Posted By Brocha, New York, NY

Posted: Feb 7, 2012
Even spiritually elevated Jews had problems
Remember the golden calf, immediately after receiving Torah, and the 10 spies that blasphemed Eretz Israel resulting in a 40 year exodus. This was all done under Moshe's leadership and Hashem's protection. Yet, Judaism has survived as we know it for over 3,400 years. First, Abraham was instructed "lech lecha" and later the first commitment made by the newly minted Jews was "we will do and we will listen." Your fiance need not understand the why, he simply needs to agree to follow halacha as you request. Perhaps he should sit with a rabbi to learn the significance of taking that first step, "lech lecha" and what he can expect to happen after he accepts "we will do and we will listen." If he takes those first steps he should be okay, if not, be careful in what you decide. It's your life, let's pray that you are able to live it wisely.
Posted By Anonymous, Oakland, CA



 


Dating
Bored with Mr. Nice Guy
Engaged to a Mama's Boy
Parents Don't Approve
A Bad Match
Ending an Engagement
Do I Have a Soulmate?
Immature Boyfriend
Conversion and Marriage
Broken-Hearted
Men Not Interested in Me
Single Woman
I Am Not Attracted to My Date
Abusive Boyfriend
Lack of Attraction
Wealthy Boyfriend
Showing 3 - 17 of 17