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Is there anything wrong with arguing?


Chaim came back from a long trip to Minsk. "Minsk is a crazy city!" he told his friends.

"Why?" they asked.

"Well, in Minsk I found a socialist, a communist, a Zionist, a Bundist, a leftist, a rightist, a devout religious man, a secular humanist, a closed-minded in the box person and a free thinker!"

His friends didn't understand: "But isn't that a normal community, where you have different people with different ideas?!"

"Ah," said Chaim, "you don't understand: this was all the same person!"

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We are a nation who argues. A lot.

From ancient history, when Abraham and Moses argued with the Divine, to the present where the bricks and cement of synagogues and Jewish social halls vibrate from the sound of verbal battle on the widest spectrum of subjects, from how-cold-is-it-really-outside-including-the-windchill to the solution to world hunger.

Life as we know it: I say yes you say no.

But then we hear the cries for peace: "Why must we argue?" "All problems arise from disagreement!" "If we would all agree to agree, life would be so simple and harmonious." Tell me about it.

Where did this notion that we must think alike originate from? Where in Torah or in common sense is there any hint to the notion that we must all think alike?

Yes, there are fundamental premises that are not up to debate. One may not kill. We must believe in one G‑d. Adultery is forbidden, Hamas is a terror organization and Holocaust denial is the work of the Satan and cannot be college campus debate material. On this we all agree (we better!).

But for almost everything else from the 'role of government' to the 'difference between a manager and a leader' and plethora of issues that keep our pundits, journalists and talk show hosts mouths and pockets loaded, these are part of a healthy society.

This week we read the story of the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai. In 19:1, we read that after arriving at Sinai, "there Israel camped opposite the mountain."

Says Rashi: "At all their other encampments, the verse says vayachanu ['and they camped,' in the plural]; here it says vayichan ['and he camped,' in the singular]. For all other encampments were in argument and conflict, whereas here they camped as one man, with one heart."

Notice that Rashi uses the expression "one heart." No mention of "one brain." There is no evidence that for the sake of peace, the Jews let go of their opinions!

Mouth shutting due to the fear that "it's gonna cause a fight" is not and never was a Jewish concept.

Our history is full of rabbis and teachers debating, arguing, and defending their ideas. The Talmud is but a microcosm of hundreds of years of debate on a myriad of topics. It is a part of our psyche. Jews argue, and that is a good thing.

True, debate must remain in the realm of objective discussion, where we argue about the message, not the messenger. While we may dispute ideas and disagree with the other's opinion, we must always have respect for our opponent, as a human being, as a Jew. But within the framework of fair debate – we are lifetime members.

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Posted: Feb 9, 2012
This is how we grow
If we always agree with one another, we are in danger of stagnating. Peace and tranquility are lovely, but challenges help us grow and change. Complacency can be deadly - literally and figuratively. When we engage in an exchange of ideas, we have the opportunity to see things from another's perspective and thus reevaluate our own ideas. Whether the debates are spiritual or secular, as long as we remember to disagree without being disagreeable, we can use these encounters as opportunites to grow and learn from one another.
Posted By Chana, Milwaukee, WI

Posted: Jan 20, 2011
and therein lies the difference
I like how you flit from argument to debate to discussion dispute disagree conflict etc.

For better or worse, when it comes to Judaism, i see argument as a situation in which both sides want to win, and there is one winner and one loser, which really means two losers. Argument is not a dirty word, but it is for losers.

Now , remember i am cutting hairs here. Formal debated have winners and losers and there are judges for that. At the same time, it is the skill that is being measured and both parties understand that mutual respect is absolutely proper. The point debated is not changed, only the debators are being evaluated. In political debate the stakes are higher, but known.

The point i am trying to make is that arguments in Judaism only end in losers. The word argument just carries a bad connotation. I bring it up because when you look upon argument this way, it forces the ' discussion ', an easy word for me, to be respectful. Somehow the word argument sets off negative energy.
Posted By Anonymous

Posted: Jan 19, 2011
Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai
Disagreeing is actually a good idea as long as one isn't biased by one's own opinion and is willing to look at the situation from both points of view. An example of this is Beit Hillel, who, the Gemara teaches us, taught the rival opinion of Beit Shammai before their own and thus merited having the law always follow them. We can agree to disagree and still favor one opinion, because no one says that the opinion of Beit Hillel is right and the opinion of Beit Shammai is wrong, merely that the law is like one opinion. In fact, in many cases in the Mishnah (leaving aside Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai) their is a argument between the commentators whose opinion we follow and there are varying traditions. This is true in the Gemara as well. We rarely entirely reject an opinion.
Posted By PoMaflah

Posted: Jan 19, 2011
So true!!!
I heard from a wise woman once...well...we are different...different cultures...different languages...all worshiping HIM all in different ways...BUT...all with the SAME BASE.
Posted By Susannah

Posted: Jan 17, 2011
From debate to consultation
We can recognize the truth from the clash of differing opinions. However, when we argue, we are attached to our own ideas, and this shows egotism. After we present our viewpoint, why not detach ourselves from it and let it be the possession of the group. If we are all investigating the truth, we would come to the same point. In this Parsha, even Moses listened to Jethro when a better way was introduced.
Posted By Anonymous, Bridgeport, CT



 


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