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Faith or Reason?


Question:

As long as human beings have thought and questioned, the principal of doubt has been central to progress in reason. All the more so in the modern era, post-Descartes, Spinoza and Hume.

Our tradition explains how Abraham came to his faith on his own, also through doubt, skepticism and reason. Yet, when you discuss faith in Why Do We Believe, instead of resorting to rational proofs, you provide an analogy of the self-confidence of a world-class athlete, who can only win because he believes he can. Is that all there is to our faith--the faith of such great rationalists as Moses Maimonides and Hasdai Crescas? Isn't this the hallmark of Judaism, that our faith is based upon reason?

Response:

I agree with your statement about doubt, it is certainly very much married to reason. And that is why I am hard put to place my faith in reason. You see, doubt is not only a partner with reason, it is it's very defining ground: that reason must always leave room for doubt. In this I agree with Karl Popper--and the Rebbe does as well--that as soon as someone says he knows something with 100% veracity, he has stepped beyond the bounds of reason and entered into the realm of faith.

Isn't it true that every society of history had its great thinkers, and all of those thinkers were able to justify whatever they accepted of that society? How can we put our faith in reason after Heidegger?

Yes, there are some excellent, very reasonable arguments for our faith. Few philosophers possess the grandeur of thought of the Rambam. And neither was Hasdai Crescas any slouch. But can I base my faith upon their arguments? I'm afraid not. Because, if I am honest with myself, I will always know that perhaps somewhere in the world is a greater philosopher who can provide better arguments to the contrary. After all, do not these two giants themselves argue with one another--and not just on trivia, but on essentials?

It's not that reason itself has no redeeming value. Reason raises us beyond the beast and casts light upon all matters of life. As you wrote, it was reason that brought Abraham to abandon his father's idols and the lies of the culture. It was reason that brought him to discover the most significant truths of history.

But it is reason, as well, that brought us racism and genocide. Because the only reason to which we have access is that which lies within a grey organ within a human skull. And that is a very bribed and faulty reason indeed.

As for Abraham, yes, he arrived at the door of faith through the path of reason. But once he entered that palace, he rose far beyond. The Midrash describes Abraham as a man who discovers an illuminated palace and exclaims, "Such a palace must have an owner!" But the Midrash does not stop there: "Immediately, the owner peeked out at him." Meaning that after Abraham found G_d, G_d reciprocated and found Abraham. He revealed Himself to Abraham and guided him. By reason alone, Abraham could never have scaled Mount Moriah to offer up his son. It was a bond of the soul far deeper than any thought can reach.

Abraham was our father. That bond he worked for many years to tie fast, we inherit from him at birth. As he did, we are challenged to reason, to question and to travel our own journey of the mind. But all upon a bedrock that cannot be shaken or moved. There is a time to question and philosophize, and there is a time to open the door that Abraham discovered and walk in--into a space where all questions are answered as though they never were. The great things of life are accomplished in that space beyond that door.

Yes, I am a thinking Jew, a lover of philosophy and reason. No, my Jewishness is not based on any of that. It is founded purely on my love for G_d, His Torah, and most of all, my people. And not just a love for the beauty, awesomeness and majesty of those three, but truly a super-rational bond that simply cannot be severed. This is who I am, who my people have been, through sword and through fire, and this is who I will always be.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2011
Re: Crusades
The crusades were only an excuse for violence and war. The records show that the people who became the Christians really had no idea what their religion said during that time period. (sort of like the Republicans sending us to Iraq for the sake of war - war has its way of making men out of boys) It was not until the printing press was invented that the masses knew what their Christian Bibles said. Crusades are 13th century common era and before. The invention of the printing press is 1439 common era.
Posted By Craig Hamilton, Sandwich, MA

Posted: June 3, 2011
Re: agree and disagree
Faith and reason cannot be separated. Faith without reason is pure madness. Reason without faith is impotent.

Faith can never change its mind, because there is no mind to begin with. Reason can never make up its mind, because that goes against reason.

The scientist must believe in his science--in the potency of empirical knowledge to lead to truth. The human rights leader must believe in humanity. The mother must believe in her child. Anything that happens in this world happens out of belief. Deep faith.

Not mindless faith. Deep faith.
Posted By Rabbi Tzvi Freeman

Posted: May 31, 2011
Is faith just emotion?
You describe your faith as Love. Emotional attachment. What if your heart was broken, would you so easily place your love in something again? Heart break is the shattering of an illusion sometimes.

Is it not possible that your circumstances have allowed you to continue loving unhindered but others have not been so fortunate or maybe they are more fortunate as their view of life is not so rose tinted?

I just find it hard to see your argument as a very strong one
Posted By rhl

Posted: May 27, 2011
agree and disagree
Hi Rabbi Tzvi,

I agree with all your points but I disagree with your bottom line.

The faith argument can just as easily be applied to Christians and the crusades. Were they not following their holy texts?

I agree with that your argument can work for you and others personally - u r recounting your experience and the connection u personally feel. This may work for others who experience and feel the same.

As an objective argument however it fails, as faith can not be used as a blanket reason for religion. As I have stated prev. it can then be applied to countless religions and spiritual paths, and we know what madness that leads to.

How is one to know which palace beyond the door is the correct one?

Correct me if I have misunderstood
Posted By rhl

Posted: May 25, 2011
clarify
Rabbi Tzvi,

I agree with you , reason can only take one so far.
If I understand you correctly you let faith ( or rather pragmatism) carry you the rest of the way? - love for the Jewish people, believing because it has good results ( like the athlete), tradition, community. These are all positive pragmatic reasons to believe.
HOWEVER......this is not enough.
Reason and pragmatism only go so far. what will take us beyond, to Truth, to Knowing?
Posted By rhl

Posted: July 9, 2009
Reason Creates Belief
I believe G-d is an idea, and this is why people have different ideas about G-d. God can only be as spiritually big as our ability to conceive of God. Our ability to conceive of the idea of G-d or god is relative to our reasoning skills, essentially our craftiness. Here there is a difference among the sexes. Men seem to create part of their idea of G-d out of reason, personally, sort of like a man and his tool shed, and this is why it is a positive commandment, while women tend to understand ideas about G-d, socially.
Posted By Craig Hamilton

Posted: Apr 6, 2009
Faith or Reason
Believing is super- rational-
So God will be at our side, never mind who and where we are.
Believing is irrational-
God will no more keep us in his grace.
We walk on in darkness and all the terrible things happening we know.......again and again.
Thank you...
Posted By Anonymous, Meilen, CH

Posted: Jan 7, 2009
Dear CA of Waltham, MA
Thank you for your thoughtful answer. I'd better explain something: I am a convert to Judaism, based on a seriously mystical experience that I had and then the growing understanding that halakha is a set of behavioral rules that provide sensible boundaries (and possibly alter klipot?).

I have to have faith that my initial experience wasn't just noise or a mental breakdown. This does not mean that I impose my experience on anyone else--I have enough to do living my own life. Having faith also means that I accept that my family no longer speaks to me because they are angry about my conversion.

FYE, I had a conversation with a Christian friend on Christmas Day in which she told me how her god is similar to this and that idol from other traditions. That is taught in Christian theological circles. My response to her was that my G-d is the energy that animates the whole universe, and that He makes Himself personal. Being Jewish means I no longer have to pretend to believe.
Posted By Melissa, Fort Kent, ME

Posted: Jan 7, 2009
brilliant
a very good piece. it answered alot of questions about myself. sometimes reason is good but reason will conflict with another mans reason and ultimately we need faith
Posted By danny

Posted: Jan 6, 2009
Re: A kasha never killed anyone...
...but nobody ever died for a kasha. In other words, nobody will put their life on the line for something that they believe may one day be proven wrong.

You need both--reason and inner faith. And some empirical knowledge to guide you as well. The human being is all about harmony of opposites. Don't rely on any one path alone.
Posted By Tzvi Freeman, Thornhill, Ontario



 


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