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What Gives Us the Right to Kill Animals?

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Dear Rabbi Freeman:

There is a quote from Henry Beston that lives in my heart. But so does G‑d, yet G‑d and Henry Beston seem to be at odds.

The quote is: "We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate of having taken form so far below ourselves. And therein we err, and greatly err. For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth."

Our Torah condones, indeed encourages, us to take the lives of animals and eat their flesh. It even mandates animal sacrifices to G‑d. If one believes Henry Beston's words to be truth, would it go against our faith?

Susan G.

Tzvi Freeman: There is much truth in that quote, but only when read in a very different context than the author originally intended. And you need to know that context very well in order to do that. You need to understand the Torah's view of life, and life's purpose, and the place that each of G‑d's creations hold in that purpose...

Susan: How would the quote read in that different context you speak of?

We do patronize animals, no two ways about it. And too often are cruel to them. From man I expect good and bad. From G‑d I expected, past tense, only good. Until, way, way back, when I learned about the animal sacrifices. G‑d actually wants them. He doesn't mind the innocent animal's fear, slaughter and blood on His altar. I'm glad that temple is destroyed, and I dread the thought that, one day, it will be built again. Imagine, a place set aside for fear, for pain, for slaughter --and in a temple!

(I can't help but wonder, Rabbi, if you're smiling right now, the way an adult often smiles at a child when it takes things which are not serious to the "grown ups" seriously. It's a smile I've been quite familiar with, and one that doesn't exactly open me up to learning.

(Or maybe you're frowning because of the way I've talked about the Temple... I'm familiar with those frowns as well.)

And so I've been distant from G‑d for a very long time. At the same time, I've never lost my longing for Him. My longing for a G‑d who loves each of His creatures, and would not want pain inflicted upon them. Not even a moment's worth of pain (or fear), if it can be avoided.

Tzvi Freeman: Let's backtrack a minute: How is it that you were so enamored with G‑d until discovering the Temple sacrifices? Didn't you know that lions eat zebras, cheetahs eat antelope, tigers eat whatever they can kill? And most often, the killed are the helpless young, old and sickly. So who created these creatures and this order of nature? What makes the temple sacrifice any more cruel?

In truth, the cruelty of the jungle is only in our eyes. To the animals, it does not exist. As the frog told King David (Midrash, Perek Shira): "I have a mitzvah greater than any of yours. For there is a bird that lives by the swamp and hungers. And I sacrifice my life to feed it."

To the animals, to be eaten is only to be transformed, from one being to another in an endless cycle of metamorphosis. The leaves become a deer, the deer a cougar -- or a human being, the cougar or human returns to the dust and feeds the trees that produce leaves. And that is their fulfillment, their mitzvah of life.

The Torah adds another dimension, a supernatural dimension to the order of nature: The grass becomes a cow, the cow becomes a human and the human performs a G‑dly act and is swallowed into the world of the Divine. Better yet, the cow could enter directly the world of the Divine, swallowed by the fire of the altar and consumed by the angels above that are fed, according to the Kabbalah, by the sacrifices of the Temple. And then those angelic beings respond by returning life and holiness to all cows below in this world.

Nevertheless, Susan, your outrage is appropriate. And this is part of the paradox of being a Jew: We love G‑d and we are outraged by Him at once. And that is what He expects of us.

This needs a story to explain:

Babylonian Talmud, Baba Metzia 85a: Rabbi Yehuda HaNassi was a perfect tzaddik, yet he suffered great pain. How did it begin? Through a deed of his. He was walking through the marketplace when a calf being led to the slaughter ran to him and hid under his cloak. He told the calf, "Go. For this you were created." That is when his suffering began.

And it ended through another deed. His maid was sweeping the floor and found the young of a weasel nested beneath the boards. She began to sweep them away, when he stopped her. "It is written," he said, "that His compassion is upon all of His works." That is when his suffering ceased.

We are meant to not understand, because not understanding is what allows us to have compassion.

The Baal Shem Tov, in the years that he was a hidden mystic, would make his livelihood slaughtering chickens and beef for Jewish communities before a festival. When he left this occupation, a new slaughterer took his place. One day, the gentile helper of one of the Jewish villagers brought a chicken to the new slaughterer. As the new man began to sharpen his knife, the gentile watched and began to laugh. "You wet your knife with water before you sharpen it!" he exclaimed, "And then you just start to cut?"

"And how else?" the slaughterer asked.

"Yisroelik (the Baal Shem Tov) would cry until he had tears enough to wet the knife. Then he would cry as he sharpened the knife. Only then would he cut!"

The Torah commands us not to cause unnecessary pain to any living being. No distinction is made whether that living being is a cow or a lizard or a fly. Rabbi Sholom Dovber of Lubavitch once chided his son for tearing up a leaf of a tree, saying, "What makes you think that the 'I' of the leaf is the lesser than your own 'I'?"

Even when it is deemed necessary to consume the life of another, there are rules. An empty-minded person, the sages taught, has no right to eat meat. They also said to never eat meat out of hunger-first satisfy the hunger with bread. A person who eats meat solely for his palate and for his stomach degrades both himself and the animal. But if it is "mindful eating" -- eating for the sake of harnessing that animal's energies to do good; eating that lifts the animal into a new realm of being; eating to give at least as much to the animal as it gives to us -- then it becomes a way of connecting with the Divine and elevating our universe.

As for the angels and their part in the deal, "Once the Temple was destroyed," the Talmud tells, "the table of every man atones for him." Your table is an altar. The angels are invited. Eat with humility and with compassion and with mindfulness. Do your part in the Divine cycle of life.

Rabbi Tzvi Freeman, a senior editor at Chabad.org, also heads our Ask The Rabbi team. He is the author of Bringing Heaven Down to Earth. To subscribe to regular updates of Rabbi Freeman's writing, visit Freeman Files subscription. FaceBook @RabbiTzviFreeman Periscope @Tzvi_Freeman .
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Michael July 5, 2017

After the Flood, God told Noah it was OK to eat animals.

Genesis 9:1 ¶ And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. Reply

sophia rubenstein nyc via chabadbpc.com July 4, 2017

Oh my G-d! what an answer to dear Susans query! Susan you are not the only one who does not accept the sacrifices of poo terrified animals for slaughter at the Temple. This is when i parted ways with orthodox Judaism. I searched for G-D within through meditation & years of studying every religion including our own. But through meditation i experiences a LIGHT that never dims that LIGHT was peace love and comfort itself. In my neshumah i knew that LIGHt would never ask for sacrifice of a sentient being. nor swinging chickens around your heads to banish karma. So please meditate You may stay Jewish of course.! you will have to go deep within. Eating dead animals is not necessity in civilized countries . only where people have no other choice because nothing grows.. Soryy, i do not believe in causing suffering to any animals . Rabbi your explanations & references are erudite.Compassion is not selective.The world was born to suffer.Do we need more blood on our hands? Reply

penina south africa June 15, 2017

Amazing that in this day and age meat eating is still so very important to so many - to the point that they will do anything to justify its consumption. It is very easy to live a healthy, fulfilled life with all of the delicious foods available to us today without having to consume any animal produce, omnivore or not. I have been vegetarian for most of my life, vegan for 31/2 years and I definitely know that there is a distinction between man and animal. We know categorically that all animals are sentient creatures. In our greed we have stripped them of their dignity treating them as commodities not the living, feeling creatures G-d created. The internet is full of information regarding the misery and suffering of food animals. there is no excuse for ignorance. Compassion is claimed to be the benchmark of Judaism - one look at kaporot, schtreimmels and what is on a Shabbos plate demonstrate exactly where on the fence so many of us sit. Reply

Dvorah Boston June 16, 2017
in response to penina:

I respect your feelings, Penina, and I respect your choices.

I differ. My compassion for animals makes me seek out meat which has been treated respectfully during its life and I insist on its being spared the blow on the head and the other indignities customary during slaughter. I certainly agree that animals must be treated as the sentient beings which they are, rather than as emotionless mindless objects. I do avoid veal because of the way calves are treated.

But my compassion does not extend to my becoming either vegetarian or vegan. Humans who eat meat or fish or eggs are taller and stronger than those who do not. Humans, like bears, ARE omnivores.

Our compassion need not demand us to sacrifice our health.

My respect for your feelings and convictions does not inspire me to follow your path. It merely means I will not ask you to change, and you need not expect me to change either.

All the best. Reply

Anonymous America June 22, 2017
in response to penina:

Is G-d cruel? G-d said that a Sefer Torah must be made from animal skin and Tephillin must be made from leather.
During the times of the beis Hamikdash the scapegoat was pushed backwards over a cliff so that is fell over and got bashed against the rocks as it fell to it's death.
So if all you are clamoring 'for the animals' think eating meat is so 'cruel' then you surely must think G-d himself to be extremely cruel or that Torah was written by self serving humans, and did not come from G-d.
Those are your only two possible choices.
Either way, you are expressing K'fira (a heretical belief not allowed in Halacha (Jewish law).
So since by saying that eating meat is 'cruel' can only be the result of such anti Torah beliefs, I wonder why you are even arguing here on a religious Jewish site.
But at least admit you don't believe in Torah or not even in G-d at all.
What other possibility could there be? Reply

sophia via chabadbpc.com July 4, 2017
in response to penina:

i agree .I am also long time vegan ,jewish an snow buddhist. I refuse to cause eany suffering to any sentient being unless i had to kill a human to protect my family. bottom line there isno excuse to eat an animal unless one lives where there is no other choice. And i do not believe G_OD demanded animal sacrifice Reply

Anonymous June 5, 2017

This sounds a lot like the teachings of Daniel Quinn from the book "Ishmael" Reply

Belshazzar St. Louis, Mo June 14, 2017
in response to Anonymous:

Which item are you commenting on? I have read Quinn but I do not see a comment here citing his remarks in the book "Ishmael." Reply

pinchus USA June 5, 2017

To Richard Blind adherence to animal worshiping cultist mythology, won't get you into Heaven or into any other good place. And millions of us Jews follow Torah not mythology.
Where is your compassion for the plants that scientists say feel pain? Mass murder for animals, is not Jewish. Would you eat poison ivy just because some animal worshiping followers of the Radical Atheist religion, said it was 'blasphemy', not to, and called you 'compassionate' for not doing so (especially since it's still a plant that scientists still say feel pain)?
And what is the difference if truth is found in old books, or new ones?
What is the difference if it comes from an earlier age, or not?
Does truth cease to be true just because it was learned ages ago?
And who told you that is what "be fruitful and multiply", means?
Who told you that anyone is "bathing" in blood (other then animal worshiping cultists who demand the mass murder of those who blaspheme their animal worshiping religion)? Reply

Anonymous June 22, 2017
in response to pinchus:

Vegans, at least the normal ones like me, don't "worship" animals. I only worship Hashem. We just want to hurt animals as little as possible, what's the problem with that? Plants don't feel pain, and even if they did, it wouldn't justify eating animals by way of the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy. Reply

Pinchus USA June 22, 2017
in response to Anonymous:

I never said anything about 'all vegans'. I will ask you a rhetorical question, for you to ask yourself.
What you would answer to me means nothing since there is no way to verify if your answer would be true.
Do you ever see other blogs where someone is accused of 'abusing animals' ?
If so, do you ever give a thumbs up or other support to the posts that demand the accused be slowly tortured to death without a trial?
If not then perhaps you are not one of the many millions of fanatics that worship animals and are bloodthirsty thugs looking for the modern day version of 'witches' to burn.
You do not know that plants don't feel pain.
I posted the name of one of several scientists who say otherwise.
More and more they are finding sentience between plants they never realized before.
The fallacy is yours since I did not base my point on what you falsely implied I supposedly did.
The fact is that if humans are to survive they must eat. If they are allowed to eat then plants and animals are eaten with the same permission, by G-d. Reply

Richard New York June 4, 2017

Blind adherence to Bronze Age mythology won't get you into heaven, my friend.
That is not being Jewish to millions of us Jews.
Have you no compassion?
Would you eat your dog if it were written so in some old book?
Be fruitful and multiply means to grow by expanding your awareness and wisdom, not bathing in blood. Reply

Sandy New York June 5, 2017
in response to Richard :

The Torah promises many rewards for obedience, but it never promises to "get you into heaven." That is a Christian concept. We do not obey Torah in order to "get into heaven" but because we love Gd and yearn for a way to express that love--and Gd has kindly provided us, in Torah, with the way Gd wants to see our love expressed.

Humans are omnivores. It is advisable to eat meat rarely, rather than never. Gd has set up the universe in perfect balance: herbivores eat plants. To protect the plants & the ecosystem, carnivores eat the old & the weak among the herbivores. To clear out the system, germs and plants consume the dead.

Omnivores straddle the system, eating mostly plants but needing a modicum of "meat"--mostly fish, but sometimes other creatures.

The Torah restricts which animals Jews may eat to a few herbivores--precisely so that we avoid becoming bloodthirsty.

It advocates a modicum of meat-eating to make a distinction between animals & humans. It forbids eating blood. Reply

Yehuda Bye June 6, 2017
in response to Richard :

Richard,
The discussion should be civil,
No blinds in Judaism and no blood use in bath neither, your sarcasm would only bring you to a void.
Bronze age, or Nuclear age is not the point again, as Chronos or Locos are not responsible.
Even more, to kill or not to kill is not the question, the question is do we need or not high protein food in our diet, and some sommities said so, and some the opposite, so i don't ask this question in this format ...
Is high protein food diet is necessary for human being (being as ontological-physiological mandatory input) and here the persons that know what they are talking in medicine field responded yes.
Now, what to eat these high protein and how to process them toward their ingestion by humans, are other questions.
I have class, an other time, Reply

Anonymous June 22, 2017
in response to Sandy:

If humans were omnivores, wouldn't it be perfectly healthy to eat meat all the time? Most people caution against consuming more than a little meat, which seems contradictory to the narrative of humans being omnivores. The Torah gives us certain animals that we can eat, yes, but it doesn't mean we have to or are meant to. Reply

Pinchus Brooklyn June 4, 2017

RE: Misconstrued Logic; Only anti Torah liberals, say eating meat is 'barbaric'.
That is their opinion, not a 'proven fact'. H-sh-m's opinion as stated in his Torah is that it's not only OK but that killing animals for human use, is required.
You cannot have a kosher Sefer Torah or Tephillin, without using the skins of animals.
I remember the rabbis in Morristown Yeshivah in the 1980's telling me that if a person enjoys eating meat, that they were not allowed to not eat it on Shabbos, if their reason for not eating it, was to be so concerned about killing animals for food.
And while I would not want to go up to a cow and take a bite out of it, I likewise would not want to go up to a potato plant and start eating it raw with all the mud and dirt covering it, either.
Scientists have said that plants can feel and react to being cut and killed also, so by liberal 'logic' we should all starve to death, so as not to be cruel to any living things. Reply

Ileen Ensley Iowa October 14, 2016

Misconstrued Logic Rabbi Tzvi, This rationalization of eating meat, with your charming story, throwing in the angels for good measure, may be valid from the mystic point of view of living beings' metamorphosis into another. Even so, with all the mindfulness and humility that you speak of, it is barbaric. I grew up eating meat, fowl and fish, indoctrinated to the delicious tastes before I learned it wasn't a coincidence that there are chickens in the world and we eat something called chicken. Perhaps I wasn't as bright as someone more "worthy" to eat meat, because my parents never mentioned the connection? When I discovered the truth, my tastes had already been well established, and although very saddened, continued to eat flesh. I grew up cooking wonderful recipes that filled my home with tantalizing aromas, until it hit me one day, while admiring cattle on the side of the road: "Do I want to take a bite out of that?" I have been a vegetarian ever since. We are humans, not lions, and can opt out. Reply

Samuel St. Paul, Minn May 31, 2016

Before the first couple ate the forbidden fruit, Gd spelled out what we could eat. They were told that they could eat the fruit of any tree in the garden except the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Noah, after the Flood, was told that he could eat meat, but he could not eat the flesh of a living animal, and he could not eat the blood of any animal.

At Mount Sinai, Gd told the Jews to eat only kosher animals, and you can find the stipulations of kosher animals in Leviticus 11:1-47. Read it for yourself. However, it applies only to Jews. Others may eat as they see fit, so long as they avoid eating blood and eating a limb taken from a living animal, for they are all descended from Noah and are bound by his promise. Reply

Miriam Brooklyn June 4, 2017
in response to Samuel:

Before I say a blessing for any food, I pray for the food. "May the soul of this bread be lifted up. May the soul of the cacao beans be lifted up." Whatever. Also, "May the holy sparks in this food/drink be lifted up." Also, "May the nourishment in this food/drink strengthen me to serve HaShem." Only then do I feel OK eating even fruit. However, I am unable to avoid enjoying the flavor of the food. The best I manage is to give thanks for the pleasure of the flavor. But at least I have contributed to the well-being of the creature, by having in mind, and praying, that its soul may be lifted up.

The food is kosher & as free of blood as I can make it. So I know that the animal's suffering has been minimized, especially poultry, which was not caged or innocculated & didn't have its beak cut off. Ditto meadow eggs.

I used to like veal. 25 years ago I learned how calves are treated during their short lives. Since then I have never eaten veal even once. Reply

Anonymous NY, NY May 23, 2016

Before the fall Who says were were Vegans "before the fall" ?? Where do you read this in the Torah?? (Judaism, by the way, does not refer to this as "the fall"...that is a Christian interpretation.) Reply

Anonymous Netherlands May 27, 2017
in response to Anonymous:

Before the flood, not before the fall, the latter is indeed a Christian thought. But before the flood the people were vegetarians, and they said that the life of an animal is the same as the life of a human. Therefore killing a man is the same as killing an animal. No more no less. This misconception led to murder rape and corruption.
After the flood there was a complete new society and eating meat became a part of a religious ceremony in which with pleasure man should thank G'd for the Torah. A teaching of G'd to mankind to abolish the old ways of idol worshipping. If G'd has said that man is created after His image, we have no right to say it otherwise.
But make no mistake, you are not obliged to eat meat, you can also enjoy a chocolate sundae and eat this with thankfullness and pleasure.
Just keep in mind where meat eating came from. It was not a natural thing to do, like a lion eats a zebra but it was a commandment of G'd. Reply

Anonymous USA June 14, 2017
in response to Anonymous:

Torah said humans are above animals "But before the flood the people were vegetarians, and they said that the life of an animal is the same as the life of a human. Therefore killing a man is the same as killing an animal. No more no less."

Nowhere in Torah, does it say this, this is an atheistic claim and if the opposite of what Torah says.

"But make no mistake, you are not obliged to eat meat,..."

That is not what my rabbis in a chabad yeshivah taught me.
They specifically taught that if you enjoy the taste of meat and refuse to eat it in honor of Shabbos, on grounds of 'concern for the animals' then you were in violation of Halacha.

"Just keep in mind where meat eating came from. It was not a natural thing to do,"

It was not 'unnatural' either.
What went on in the Garden of Eden was never meant to be the way things were meant to be throughout later history.
The whole sin of drinking from the forbidden fruit, was according to certain thinking of the sages 'meant to happen'.
That situation was not 'natural'. Reply

oscar MW May 23, 2016

Before the Fall It appears we were Vegans before the Fall in the Garden. After, we not only lost our innocence but enmity was manifest between Mankind and the Predatory beasts of the field, creating a need for protection and need to harvest flesh to sustain them. I do not believe we were intended to Eat Flesh, it only occurred due to the profound difficulties in food production facing early Man? We were designed to exist in Harmony with all living things. Reply

Pinchus BKLYN USA September 21, 2015

A response without an answer. You can abhor killing predators (and apparently eating Veal, which I also do not eat, but only because I do not like the taste), but that is far from supporting bloodthirsty murderers who enjoy killing anyone they decide is not politically correct.

Nor did you even address the vicious attacks on the man's daughter when she did not even have anything to do with it.

Supporting the barbarism of murdering fully alive babies, under the excuse that "they do other things that are good'" can be said of any dictatorship or terrorist group.

If those doing it cared in the slightest about the other services, they would have no problem shutting down PP, and starting another center, that had nothing to do with abortions (and did not spend years lying about the utter Barbary that they tried to cover up.

Also, health care for everyone would far cheaper if government had bot ruined it with the Obama health scam plan. Reply

Chaim Cleveland June 5, 2017
in response to Pinchus:

Who are the "bloodthirsty murderers" whom you accuse me of "supporting"??? Are you saying everyone who eats meat is a "bloodthirty murderer"?

What "vicious attacks" on what "man's daughter"? If you tell me about the attack I will be able to address it.

Who are these "fully alive babies" whose "murder" you say I "support"?

Or are you speaking of the unborn? Are you saying that abortion is murder? If you are opposed to abortion, then let us support prenatal adoption. Research so far indicates we could soon manage to enable such a procedure, thus protecting the unborn without burdening married women who have already endured as many months of supporting other people's survival as their health can stand. (I agree that it is unfortunate that so many unmarried women misuse abortion for birth control, but it is even worse when these women abandon newborns in dumpsters.)

Would you support prenatal adoption? Reply

Anonymous June 15, 2017
in response to Pinchus:

Your off-topic comment written from perhaps a protected palace in Brooklyn smacks of utter racism and lack of knowledge. The first universal health care plan in America (which helped us save face in the world by the way) literally saved the lives of my sister and niece who were not able to afford full health care under the conditions before Obamacare.

My understanding of Judaism is that compassion is part of the philosophy. You therefore contradict this concept in every comment you have made concerning the out-of-date idea that humans should eat what was once emergency food, i.e., flesh. Check out the Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness in which a multitude of neuroscientists confirm that animals, including fish and at least some insects that have been studied such as spiders and crickets (not plants) have consciousness. Fear and pain are evolutionary components necessary for an animal's survival. What animal has willingly given their life to you? Reply

Pinchus USA June 15, 2017
in response to Anonymous:

Response to Anonymous Nothing I said in my post that you criticized and made false claims about, was 'off topic'. If it was, then so was the post I was responding to.
You have no problem with them or yourself, being off topic.
And no I am not safe and never have been and never will be, thanks to the world, you liberals have made.

I said nothing racist, but your post smacks of antisemitism.

Nor do I live in anything remotely resembling a 'palace'.
In fact my life was ruined by the Obama health scam system, and many people have died because of it after being told they could not see their own doctors anymore, as well as all the people who lost jobs, after employers could no longer afford to keep them under the new anti Constitutional system.

So your relatives got to live by stealing from others, congratulations. And who cares about saving face with the antisemitic world?


Check out the work of Kenneth Worthy Ph.D. on plant sentience. Then tell me what plant willingly gave it's life for you. Reply

Hanalah Houston September 20, 2015

Before eating, before making the brachah, I say a prayer on behalf of the food. May the soul of this (whatever it is) be lifted up.

With Kavannah:

May the soul of these eggs be lifted up.

May the soul of this chicken be lifted up.

May the souls of these cacao beans be lifted up. Reply

Chaim Cleveland September 11, 2015

I eat meat, except veal. I believe in eating meat. I do not eat bread, rice, corn, or potatoes, or anything made from those crops, all of which are unhealthy. I prefer to eat grass-fed beef, or pasture-fed poultry (and their eggs) and I'm willing to pay more for them (and eat less of them), because such animals are happier and healthier. Their happiness is better for them and better for me.

I appreciate lions and abhor the killing of any predator, including wolves, since theirs is the most fragile animal lifestyle, because they are magnificent, and because they have a positive effect on the environment for other animals and for plants.

To those who have a daughter, daughter-in-law, or any female kin who needs to get an annual pap smear or breast exam or whose health demands that she stop having children: Planned Parenthood provides all those services affordably. Do you want your female kin to do without decent health care because it is too expensive? Reply

Pinchus bklyn ny September 1, 2015

To Richard, continued I have already addressed (in the post you responded to), the issues of compassion, so please reread that part of that post.

As for 'hungry people' they are hungry not because of eating meat, but because cruel and corrupt regimes destroy farms and burn or steal crops for political reasons.
because oppressed and starving people are easier to control.

It is a myth to say that eating meat uses up natural resources more then eating other things.
I know the leftists love to claim that meat supposedly takes ten times the resources of vegetables, and grain.
but then a person has to eat at least ten times the amount to get just as full, so ultimately there is very little or no savings of resources by not eating meat.

So called "man made climate change" is likewise a myth.
None of those claiming that, can explain why the other planets in our Solar System are heating up at the same rate the Earth is.
RE: Diseases, see an old post of mine about female hormones in the, water.
That is a problem. Reply

Yaakov Brooklyn June 4, 2017
in response to Pinchus:

What is the documentation that other planets are supposedly heating up at the same rate as the earth is?

Surely the carbon dioxide we are adding to our atmosphere, and the trees we are cutting down, must be creating a greenhouse effect. Surely we need to replace the greenery we have destroyed, so they can absorb the CO2. Reply

Anonymous June 7, 2017
in response to Pinchus:

But meat actually does take more resources. Making one pound of beef takes about 10 pounds of plant feed. What person wouldn't be full on one or two pounds of that food? So you could hypothetically feed 10 people on the feed for a couple of steaks. Also, the poorest, hungriest people in the world hardly ever eat meat. By the way, I'm not a "leftist," I just did research and that's the conclusion I found. The idea of elevating food is an interesting thought, I just don't think G-d wants us to kill animals when we don't need to. Reply

Pinchus USA June 6, 2017
in response to Yaakov:

ToYaakov, Links are not allowed here, but I have read scientific reports that document that the other planets are heating up at the same rate the Earth is.
And it has been said that one eruption from a single volcano puts out far more greenhouse gases then all of Humanity is all of history.
Back in the 1600's there was warming too, and not one car or modern factory anywhere on the planet at the time. Reply

Pinchus bklyn ny September 1, 2015

To Richard If you study Genesis with a qualified rabbi (such as at a Chabad yeshiva, for example) then you would learn that just because, meat was nor eaten before the time of Noah, does not mean, that that is a 'higher ideal' then eating meat.
If it was then the Temple would never have had all the meat offerings on the Mezbayach.





























































Also if we were to say that what went on in the earlier times was 'ideal' then it would also be ideal to learn nothing and to never wear clothes since that how it was in the first hours after Creation.

Eating meat is not uncompassionate or environmentely harmful and it's gluttony not eating meat which causes diseases.
In fact meat is a much better choice for diabetics then breads and cereals since it has necessary protein without so many carbohydrates. Reply

Richard Schwartz Staten Island August 31, 2015

This is a response to the comments (below) of Pinchas. Yes, G-d gave permission for people to eat meat, although G-d's first dietary wish was that people be vegans (see Genesis 1:29). So, we have a choice in our diets and shouldn't that choice consider the highest of Jewish values - that we should diligently guard our health, be compassionate to animals, protect the environment, conserve natural resources, help humgry people, etc. Shouldn't we consider how animal-based diets are causing an epidemic of diseases in Jewish and other communities and that the raising of animals is contributing to climate change and other environmental threats to all life on Earth? Reply

Pinchus bklyn ny August 26, 2015

Self righteous hypocrisy Those who pretend they are supposedly so much more compassionate then G-d (or conversely falsely claim the rabbis made it up and are supposedly lying about what G-d said) because they are vegetarian or vegan, are being hypocritical.

Let's see them prove G-d did not give permission to eat meat, or that G-d does not exist at all.

They claim that they cannot be Torah following people because of the meat eating that Torah allows.
Well one reason I became religious in the first place, was specifically because of such people and the vicious and cruel way they treated other people, while pretending to care so much for the animals.

Look how the Animal Rights (AR), crowd vandalized the house of the dentist who killed Cecil, the lion and used thousands of phony Yelp, reviews to destroy the ballet teaching business of his daughter who had nothing to do with it.

The vast majority support the horrific evil done by Planned Unparenthood.

Such "compassion" only for animals, is phony. Reply

Dan SC CA via jewishsc.com July 31, 2015

Sacrifice of animals is what keeps me from loving to study Torah I find that I can not believe that G-d would want us to slaughter animals. To me the descriptions of animal sacrifice and of things like the scapegoat are barbaric and they keep me from embracing some of Torah.
I can understand some sacrifices as a way to gather meat for food but the burnt offerings Etc. I find abhorrent. Reply

Anonymous Albany, NY July 28, 2015

We kill animals because We are the top of the food chain... No other explanation is needed Reply

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