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What do Agnostics Believe?

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Question:

I started questioning G-d around the time of my Bar Mitzvah. I identified as an agnostic shortly after, an ideology that I still hold today. But I still feel Jewish. And this leads me to my question: Would you consider a self-proclaimed agnostic Jewish?

Answer:

Let's start with this idea that you are an agnostic. This is a term coined by Thomas Huxley in the middle of the 19th century. It is the "doctrine that humans cannot know of the existence of anything beyond the phenomena of their experience." Bertrand Russell wrote a sort of manifesto of the agnostic in these words:

That man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labors of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspirations, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the temple of Man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of the universe in ruins-all these things, if not beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair can the soul's habitation henceforth be safely built.

Is that really what you believe? I guarantee that Russell himself never believed it -- because he was a champion for human rights and ethics to his last day. Neither could any human being truly believe it and continue to breath for even a moment. We are, all of us, creatures of hope. We live, we work, we marry and have children because we all believe there is purpose -- also those of us who overtly deny holding to such a belief.

As the sixth Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneersohn (1880-1950), told one self-proclaimed atheist, "We are all believers in G-d. It is just a matter of definition."

You need to come to a deeper understanding of what exactly it is that you don't believe. And more importantly, what it is that you do believe. Not through philosophy or introspection, but by simply examining the way of life towards which you are naturally moving and determining the implications of such a life. Why do you love your spouse? Why are you so concerned about your children's identity? Why do you hold this conviction that there is more meaning to life than making another buck and buying a bigger house? More than any course of study or spiritual searching, this will tell you who you are and in what you truly believe.

And I believe you will discover that you believe in your heart all that every Jew inherently knows and believes.

May G-d be with you as you return your father's heritage to its rightful place.

By Tzvi Freeman
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April 13, 2012
agnostic
An agnostic's a man or woman of science, a person who uses logical assertions scientifically about the Universe and looks deeper into the subject, in defence of a claim that s/he doesn't believe in a religion: which is the root of agnosticism. It's an intellectual philosophy that analyses physical matter in a world where lots of people are religious, though the agnostic finds them unknowable and unprovable they're an intelligent bunch, for the agnostic knows something, and that something is physics and cosmology. With understanding of a universe but not the origin of it, of the world but no knowledge of the supernatural, against following a religion but on the sides of two parties: the atheists and the theists. And a style of living involving reverence at the expense of secularisation, respecting the gods but not believing in them.
Max Raoy Gron
Elizabeth Grove, SA Australia
March 21, 2012
"Saying you can't believe in something or someone you dont see is incorrect."
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It's not "incorrect". It's what he believes.
You believe in God, which is neither correct or incorrect. It's what you believe.
God exists within our beliefs. Or not.
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"...do you open up the hood of your car every morning..."
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This is a twisted parable.
We have faith cars will work because humans are absolute experts on cars, and the info stands up to any scrutiny.

Miracles don't "prove God's realness" [except in terms of an individual's beliefs]. The opposite of 'miracles' happens all the time--tragic suffering, torture and injustice.
God hasn't revealed himself in the real world, [though the Bible says he did many years ago.] If God was more than a belief, you'd be able to prove his existence. In an indisputable way. You can't. Therefore "God" is an intangible personal value, and I am an Agnostic. God may exist in the physical world. I haven't seen evidence of it. Certainly no proof.
Levi Tribesman
Boston, MA USA
March 20, 2012
Seeing Is Believing
Saying you can't believe in something or someone you dont see is incorrect. We all have faith, you just dont realize certain day to day things that you have faith IN. For example, do you open up the hood of your car every morning before you go to work to see if it'll be fine to drive? No, you have faith and trust that it will work...because it always has. For me, God has always existed and i dont take his realness for granted. I have faith that what I dont physicallly see is there. I've seen miracles to prove His realness but I never really needed it. Just something to think about.
@elijahorbea
Glastonbury
August 3, 2011
Is God Real
I believe that God is based on faith and if you were educated as a child that God exists you are likely to carry on that belief as an adult unless your faith is questioned either by belief or action, One could also compare this to a belief in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy, both are imagined characters, both have never been proven to exist or not to exist and both are taught to a chid at an early age as being real. Does this sound familiar, God, never proven to exist or not, no scientific or physical evidence as to his existence just blind faith. I apologise if anyone is offended however I cannot believe in someone or something that I cannot see, hear or smell. I don't believe in Santa Claus either.
Mr. Robert Stowell
July 23, 2010
Dangers of transcendence
To me, God is a concept of the mind. The Bible with all of its contradictions, enthusiastic support of slavery, and violence is the work of primitive man. I respect any path to enlightenment, but there are huge dangers in the religious institutionalization of mysticism. Laws & dogma are based on explaining the unknowable. Power is derived from it. This leads to fundamentalism, war, & repression in the name of God and the transcendent. God fearing people have done this throughout history the world has suffered greatly.
Levi Tribesman
July 23, 2010
Secular humanism
Are there people as good & kind as any observant Jew who dont believe in God? Yes. I know a lot of them, and I live that life. Purposeful and meaningful without the magical transcendental unknowable unobserved. Millions of Jews are Secular Humanist Agnostics. One way to understand them is to learn about Progressive political movements. This tradition is worthy of respect.

You say: : if nothing transcends the act of being, why care about being at all?
Our humanity is enough. Joys and sorrows are things we can all understand.
We care because we are human.
Levi Tribesman
July 19, 2010
For Levi the Tribesman
Yes, it would be good to share perspectives, and that is why there is a forum here for discussion.

In that context, your comments would be especially helpful if you could explain why one who believes his own consciousness to be nothing more than "the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms" should care at all about what will happen after his own lifetime. Perhaps further: if nothing transcends the act of being, why care about being at all?

Or is it that you do in fact hold a belief in something transcendent, some sort of purpose or meaning of life. In which case, you fall directly into that of which the Rebbe refers. Your definition of my G-d is not the same definition as my own, and in fact we mostly have the very same G-d. What more is belief in G-d, after all, than a belief in purpose that transcends the act of being?
Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
July 18, 2010
A matter of definition?
Rabbi Schneersons quote is interesting. We are all believers in G-d. It is just a matter of definition." God is ONLY about belief, and I feel your belief in God is valuable -- to you. We are both Jewish, but see how different we are?

To define belief in God as a matter of definition is revealing. What if the definition has nothing to do with the horrors of the Bible? Of course that would be unacceptable
Levi Tribesman
Boston, MA
July 18, 2010
Who gets to judge?
In the paragraph after the Russell quote, you say Agnostics are not humanists and have no hope! My hope, humanity and purpose exists in the context of this world and life. That does not make it less real or valuable. Belief in the mysticism of a supreme deity would not improve or make my beliefs more meaningful.

I would never presume the value of a persons beliefs, but you as a religious person, are doing just that. You need to come to a deeper understanding. Really? My understanding isnt deep enough? How can you know that? Have believers in God shown themselves to be better people than Agnostic secular humanists? Definitely not!
Levi Tribesman
Boston, MA
April 2, 2010
Wrong question....
What does an agnostic believe?
What does the sky have for breakfast?

The question has no meaning, Agnosticism is about KNOWING.

Therefore any agnostic can BELIEVE a number of things, relating to (or not) "faith" (hope accepted as conceptual reality).
A Dose of Reality
Adelaide, Australia
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