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Is there an independent source that can verify the events recounted in the Torah?


Question:

Rabbi Freeman, I have just finished reading your article entitled How Do We Know that We Heard G‑d at Sinai? There you write that "the very fact that no other people ever made up anything similar to the story of Sinai should be enough evidence that it must be true." I'm sorry, but I just don't buy this. Someone, Moses perhaps, could have had a brilliant idea for a story and convinced everyone to believe it came from G‑d. Isn't there an independent source that can verify the events recounted in the Torah?

Answer:

Each discipline has its set of rules and approach. You can't apply the same approach to mathematics as you do to psychology or the rules of physics to biology. When it comes to doing chemistry in a lab, you use one kind of proof. Mathematics in the 20th century developed its own regimen of what constitutes proof.

History is a whole other story. If we would expect the same proof for historical events that we expect for the laboratory, we would know absolutely nothing. And when it comes to events before the 10th century CE, the rules become much, much more lax.

Why? Because we simply have no historical documents of major events that were written before that time. Yes, we have copies--copies of copies of copies. But no proof that those were not forged. Those documents that exist in multiple forms generally conflict with one another. And there is tremendous conflict between the various accounts of history in varying documents.

Take, for example, the Egyptian Dynasties and the invasion of the Hyksos. The hieroglyphics are useless mythology. The account we rely upon is from Josephus in his Contra Apion--a refutation of an anti-Semite Greek writer of Egyptian origin named Apion who cites a history provided several hundred years earlier by an Egyptian priest named Manetho, who had his own agenda and axe to grind. Of course, we don't have Josephus' original work, we have several different and discrepant versions, copied over many times. Yet every public school, college and museum will list that succession of dynasties as though it is historical fact and discuss the Hyksos invasion as a major event of history. Why? Because a copy of a copy of a copy of a book cites an opponent who cites an earlier, admittedly biased author who says it's true. No other evidence whatsoever.

Not going into all the details here, but when it comes to the Peloponnesian Wars, Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar, things aren't much better. Multiple, conflicting and often spurious accounts abound. There are no contemporary accounts, scant evidence from archeological digs and little if any consensus on major issues.

Now compare this to the Sinai event. We have a single account, uncontested for millennia. It presents its carriers in a not too favorable light. It is cited and confirmed in many of the later books of the Bible. And we have an entire nation that understands this as their history--including cynics such as the Sadducees and early Christians.

If we were talking about any other event, all historians would accept this as standard ancient history. There's only one reason why they don't: Because they don't wish to believe it.

All we can say is, let's be fair: If the rest is history, this is history as well. Further, as I pointed out in my article that you mention, the alternatives lead down ludicrous paths similar to conspiracy theories.


I'm writing fast and in brief. But I must add this: If anyone is going to base their life-practice on a proof of an event of the past, they're building on flimsy cardboard. Life-decisions need to be based on our visceral, here and now experience of life, on human reason, on deep faith, on family tradition--on many, many factors.

We keep the Torah for multiple reasons, all of them very strong. For some, the most important thing is its beauty, for others it is heritage. All of us feel a deep connection to the Jewish people and a will to do what G‑d wants. The sum total of all of it is a deep faith, one that has stood us strong against the vicissitudes of persecution, polemics and temptation for 3300 years. But don't expect to build your palace on one pillar alone.

Rabbi Tzvi Freeman for Chabad.org

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Posted: Dec 13, 2008
to Cathy
Go ahead, Cathy. I would like to hear it from you.
Posted By Tzvi Freeman, Thornhill, Ontario

Posted: Dec 13, 2008
Tzvi Freeman referred us to skeptic
OK I read that.

So he can be called to the Torah.

But he's asking how to live his life.

Doesn't he want to be told to be shomer mitzvos?
Shomer Shabbos, shomer kashrus, tefillin and so on?

Isn't that what he wants to know?

Why does he say "the impossible question of what Gd wants us to do"?
It's not impossible at all.

Since he already likes what you've said so far, you can say something that shows that it's not impossible.

Cmon, coach, make it clear to him.
I know you can do it.
Posted By Cathy

Posted: Dec 13, 2008
Re: answer the man
I recommend you read this: Can I be called to the Torah if I am a skeptic?
Posted By Tzvi Freeman, Thornhill, Ontario

Posted: Dec 12, 2008
Well? Answer the man.
What does Gd want us to do?
How do we know this?

I know you can do it.

You want me to do it?
Posted By Cathy

Posted: June 11, 2008
reasons to keep the Torah
Rabbi Tzvi, I've posted and argued many times before, but what you said here about reasons to keep the Torah, really rung true to me. The here-and-now, the beauty, the heritage, the connection. These are all wonderful reasons, for me included .

At the same time, having to argue historical proofs and couterproofs, and the impossible question of what G-d wants us to do, somehow makes it all more difficult and confusing.. I'm still not sure how to get around that.
Posted By Mark R, Reston, VA

Posted: May 22, 2008
for Murray
Then we are in agreement over 90%. If it is impossible that G_d speaks to Man, then what choice do we have but to choose that which we both agree is implausible?
Only that in my weltanschaaung, G_d and Man share a single reality. So Sinai is more than possible.
Posted By Tzvi Freeman (author)

Posted: May 22, 2008
The Sinai Story
I did read your essay, and you're right; it didn't convince me. I remember from my adolescent reading that the great (fictional) detective Sherlock Holmes used to say something like, " When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however implausible, must be the truth." The account you prefer to believe is impossible. What I believe, though seeming implausible to you, is probably closer to the truth of what actually occured. Folktales often exist in many versions until a committee decides to commit a definitive version to writing, and then an authoritative canonical account is produced which is then transmitted virtually unchanged. To call this conspiratorial is to use negatively loaded language.
Posted By Murray Gewirtz, Brooklyn, NY

Posted: May 22, 2008
for Murray
I dealt with this issue in another article: How Do We Know We Heard G_d at Sinai. I hope you will take the time to read that essay.

Of course, it's much more comfortable to believe otherwise.
Posted By Tzvi Freeman (author)

Posted: May 21, 2008
Mythology and History, cont'd.
The idea that Moses received the Torah from God on Mt. Sinai in presence of the entire Israelite community is, to my mind and that of many students of the Bible, a story that began to be told and eventually written much later than the period in which it was supposed to have taken place. The people to whom the tale was told, of course, had no experience of the event, and were told that their ancestors, who had sinned by following false creeds, had forgotten the event, and therefore had failed to pass it down to them. Eventually, it became an article of (Pharasaic)Jewish belief that not only the Ten Commandments, and not only the written Torah, but the oral law, including the rabbis' methods of interpreting and expanding the written Torah, was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai and passed down "in an unbroken chain" to the present. ... And the Navajos arose out of the ground in New Mexico.
Posted By Murray, Brooklyn, NY

Posted: May 20, 2008
response to question
In addition to what RTFreeman replies, i wish to point out that the story of Sinai is not about Moses merely telling the nation (of 2-3 million) a story. the script says that the nation "experienced"/"witnessed" the quantum state of the universe; the unreal; the paradoxical. you can't convince people that the "experienced" something. a hypnotist might but to hypnotize an entire nation? c'mon.
furthermore, Moshe had numerous challengers on many issue. none of his revolts included the concept that the revelation at sinai never happened. they questioned at times some directives whether it was in fact also divine. but the "divine source" as a reality and that the "divine source" communicated with creation was an expereince and hence unquestionable to all.
Posted By NK



 


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