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How and When Was the Torah Written?

How and When Was the Torah Written?



Give me the handle on this Sinai thing. As I got it from Hebrew school, Moses went up the mountain, sat down at his desk and took dictation for forty days and forty nights. G‑d said, "In the beginning..." and that's just what Moses wrote... until he got all the way to the end. Right?

Or did I get it all wrong? Because if I'm right, then I've got a lot of questions. And if I got it wrong, then you're going to have to fill it in, 'cause otherwise, I'm going to sound like a real heretic...


The story you got in Hebrew school is basically true, but it's also missing lots of the details. So it ends up coming across as a simplistic Hebrew-School story that only the most gullible believer would swallow. Let's take a closer look at the classical sources (Midrash, Talmud, et al) that describe how Torah got to us.

The Story, According to Us

Before Moses, there were traditions. There were rituals, there were stories, there were ideas. There were writings, as well.1 When did people start writing phonetically? I don't know. There is no way to tell. And some etchings that have managed to endure on the walls of caves in the Sinai are not going to put together a whole history for me.2 But the stories of the patriarchs are obviously very ancient and attest to the linear thinking of a phonetically literate mind. 3 Most likely, Moses had a few scrolls in his possession from more ancient times.

According to Rashi (Exodus 24:4), before Moses went up that mountain, he presented the Jewish people with an official version of the Book of Genesis, as well as part of Exodus—up to the event at which he was standing. I expect he relied heavily on some of those earlier manuscripts for his work, and that he tried to be consistent in style with his additions. That doesn't make this any less a divine work. G‑d can work with editors just as well as He can with authors. (Ask my editor, he'll tell you G‑d actually prefers editors.)

The Ten Commandments scene was a very mystical experience. I haven't read of any vaguely similar experience in any other people's tradition. What happened? A mass of people shared in Moses' experience. They hadn't worked themselves up to Moses' spiritual height, so it wasn't able to last too long. But that was basically the idea: This revelation that G‑d has things He wants us to do and not do, that He cares about what's going on with these little critters down here and here are the basic items—in a few moments, all this became just as real to the people as it was to Moses.

Which makes Moses pretty unique, because he's the only prophet that does such a thing. Others just tell the people, "G‑d says such and such. Trust me." Moses, the populist prophet, says, "Let me tune you in for a minute on what I'm hearing from G‑d." Moses is cool.

Moses then disappears up the mountain for forty days. While there, forty-nine gates of wisdom are open to him, granting him the secrets of all existence. Moses then writes down the experience of Mount Sinai along with a set of rules for a new society, which eventually becomes Parshat Mishpatim—the section written in the Exodus story dealing principally with civil law.

Is everything in Parshat Mishpatim new? I doubt it. Just as I doubt there was anything at all new in the Ten Commandments. The novelty was not the content. It was this idea that the same G‑d who transcends all nature and is responsible for the very ground of existence is really wrapped up in how we live down here. That was revolutionary. It was totally out of synch with so-called enlightened thinking of the times. People thought only little gods could get involved in this kind of thing—and they were easy to bribe. In Egypt, they called that "mata"--something like "karma" to the Hindus. They knew of some essential oneness at the core level of reality—but they thought it preposterous to consider that this G‑d could be engaged in anyone's daily life. Never mind in the daily lives of the masses. Which gave all the more justification to the hierarchy of power and oppression that Moses had stood up against.

Moses the Revolutionary

So Moses was bringing G‑d down to earth. He was demolishing the pyramid of spiritual knowledge that he knew so well from Egypt—and so much despised. He was saying, "This G‑d is so great, He can care about everybody and everything!" Moses was making a revolution.

Why was he making a revolution? Because G‑d was telling him to. To explain that, I would need a long conversation with you about what is G‑d and how G‑d talks to people and why. Maimonides already deals with that quite sufficiently in his Book of Knowledge. Then there is Shaar Ruach HaKodesh of Rabbi Chaim Vital, where he explains that the prophet hears G‑d speaking in his own voice and his own words, (or in the voice of his teacher—as was the case with Samuel). That explains a lot.

I will only supplement by pointing out that when you or I are completely immersed in a subject of Torah and come up with a novel explanation or idea, that is also Torah. Meaning that someone else would not be permitted to study that idea before having said the morning blessing to G‑d for having "given us His Torah." Get that: Giving us His Torah! Even though you or I came up with this idea—and it didn't feel like it landed in our heads from Andromeda 5. Yet it is G‑d's Torah. That's called being one with G‑d. Read chapter five of Tanya.

My point is that really prophecy is not so foreign to human experience as you might think. We all have ideas that pop into our minds from who-knows-where. Just that most people feel they thought of them on their own. A prophet, it seems (I haven't really been there to tell) is one who hears things clearly that others may only pick up with much distortion. He is in tune with that unknowable place from which the Unknown speaks. So he hears it speaking to him with clarity.

Moses was the prophet who got in tune with the very core of reality and heard that speaking to him. That's why he writes in third person, like a passive observer—even of his own life: "And G‑d spoke to Moses saying..." Because, as Nachmanides explains, Moses saw the raw essence as it is, stripped of the filter of his own ego. Other prophets heard the truth as it spoke to them. Moses saw truth as truth knows itself.

Yet he shared that experience with all of us. Which is why Maimonides counts as one of the 13 axioms of Judaism that no other prophet can contradict Moses—because no other prophet has the testimony of the entire Jewish people that, yup, we experienced G‑d talking to him alright.

The Prophecy Thing

Okay, I'll say something else about prophecy—because, after all, this is one of the big stumbling blocks for a lot of people. Especially those who have gotten used to thinking of G‑d in philosopher terms, or maybe Taoist terms as just "that which is." So talking with "that which is" is kind of strange to these people.

The Torah, however, describes the entire reality as nothing more than G‑d speaking. G‑d says, "Let there be photons" and the whole mess starts. Same with everything that exists in our world—all of it is nothing more than a manifestation of G‑d holding a dialog with Himself. That's why, in Biblical Hebrew, there are no words for "thing", "object", "stuff" or even "physical". Everything is called a davar which means simply "word."

Words are crystallizations of thoughts. And that's what holds the world together.

Think about it: Here are all these particles—electrons, protons, negative-charged particles, positive-charged particles, matter, anti-matter, quarks, bosons, blips, bloops, kukaratches, stuff... And what makes them into a world that we can observe and experience? A bunch of rules. Without those rules, those particles can't work together. And without working together, none of them can exist. Turns out that the rules keep them in existence.

And what are the rules? An extremely limited manifestation of G‑d's mind. That's what we call "G‑d speaking."

Next time you wonder why G‑d never speaks to you, look at the world around you. That's all it is: G‑d speaking to you. Just that the signal is so stepped-down and encrypted you can't necessarily tell what He's saying.

So, Rabbi Isaac Luria, the great Kabbalist, explains: all the prophet needs to do is catch those words of G‑d as they are a little less condensed and crystallized, up in a higher world. There things are a lot clearer—less static, more signal. And from there those prophets get an idea of what's coming down—before it actually gets here.4

In Shaarei Kedusha, Rabbi Isaac Luria's protégé, the above-mentioned Rabbi Chaim Vital, goes even further: He claims that prophecy is really the natural state of any human being. You see, when G‑d went about making the first human being, He said, "Let us make Adam."5 The us refers to the entire universe that G‑d had just completed6. The soul of everything from every creature in every world of the entire order of worlds was invested into this being: angels, animals, trees, plants, rocks—the works. The rationale? Adam was to be the conduit of life-giving and existence-sustaining energy traveling from the highest world to the lowest. According to how he leads his life, so will the entire world receive life.

If so, what is the wonder, Rabbi Vital asks, if a human being manages to read some of the data as it travels through him?

Prophecy, it turns out, is just a matter of tuning in to the process of constant creation. Moses' prophecy was a matter of getting to the very core of that process. And so, writes Nachmanides,7 every secret of the universe is contained in the Torah, sometimes in a nuance of a phrase, sometimes in a pattern of letters, sometimes in one of those tiny crowns that is placed above certain letters according to the tradition.8

Forty Years in the Writing

Back to the order of things: So Moses writes down the laws and rules he learns atop the mountain. Short break for the Golden Calf affair. Next thing, Moses is back up the mountain getting some rehabilitative laws, including the details for a portable, people's tabernacle. Over the period of the next thirty-nine years,9 Moses writes at intervals. The writing is done in various ways. Sometimes he writes and then speaks. Sometimes he makes his oratory and then transcribes it. Sometimes he collects together the accounts from a census and organizes it. (This may account for the varied styles we may find in these sections.)

According to another opinion in the Talmud, everything is oral until the last days. According to all opinions, it's not until those last days that Moses gathers everything together and distributes copies to each of the tribes.10 His final instructions: Everyone must write their own. Moses, the ultimate populist.

Convincing Julius

If the whole thing is so plausible, you say, why is it so many of those Biblical criticism dudes won't accept the story? The real question is like this: What would it take to convince those academics? To convince them that:

a) There is a G‑d, responsible for the very ground of existence.

b) This G‑d cares about what's happening in that existence.

c) This G‑d can communicate, and actually does communicate, to human beings all that He would like us to be doing down here.

I propose that all the evidence in the world wouldn't be able to budge those guys one nanometer. Because we are not talking about logic here—we are talking about axioms. And to those academics, it is a foregone conclusion, an axiom, that if not a, then certainly b and c are preposterous.

I don't believe for a moment that any scholar examined the matter objectively, saying, "Let's see, there are two possibilities here: Moses did this because G‑d spoke within him, or people made this up as history went along. Let's examine both and determine which is the more elegant explanation."

Never. When Spinoza began his critique, it was a foregone conclusion that G‑d did not communicate to humankind. G‑d, to Spinoza, is not a being that can care and have concern for His world. Spinoza's G‑d is an object, a passive state of just being. Since Spinoza was the father of biblical criticism, the children could only descend from there.

Julius Wellhausen was fascinated by the idea of history—like every other scholar of his century. History in his day meant Hegel. That's the way everything happened and had to happen: Progressively, through a conflict of social dynamics, thesis-antithesis-synthesis, moving closer and closer to the enlightened modern man. That's the mold of every 19th century thinker, and Torah had to fit into that mold. Tell me that Wellhausen could have accepted anything otherwise.

(Postscript on 5/23/10: Since writing, K.A. Kitchen, one of the foremost scholars of antiquity, published his "On the Reliability of the Old Testament" in which he mercilessly demolishes Wellhausen and his school of biblical critics by presenting the evidence that has since been discovered.)

The fact is, this idea of Moses is so wild, so counter-intuitive, I don't believe anyone could arrive at it through philosophy or logic. Why do we believe it? Because we believe in the Jewish people. That's called Judaism: Belief in Jews. Since we believe in the Jews, we believe in the experience of the Jews, which means we believe in Torah and since we believe in Torah, we believe in G‑d and that G‑d cares. (See How Do We Know We Heard G‑d at Sinai for more on this.)

The Utilitarian Proof

That said, let me point out something that's rarely cited as a proof of Moses' idea, but in my mind wins hands down: It works.

Modern society is grounded lock and barrel on Moses' idea: The idea that all people are created by a single G‑d who cares about each one of them. That is the basis of modern democracy and all civil rights. Because to lay a claim to human rights or equality before the law is ludicrous under any other system. The horrors of the twentieth century proved this better than any textbook could and authors such as George Orwell made it lucidly clear to us: There is no rational basis for human rights or justice for all men.

Yet without these things today, society is simply not sustainable—and neither is life on the planet. If G‑d just is and life just is and everything is therefore without innate meaning or value—then dog-eat-dog with the weapons of modern technology is as ugly—and sure—as can be.

So Moses wins in the end. And if Moses is right that G‑d cares, then what is so impossible that G‑d might wish to communicate exactly what He cares about and that it actually happened at a certain point in time at a certain place to a certain mass of people?

Which is just what I believe.

(Another postscript from 5/23/10: To illustrate what I am talking about in this last section, see Joshua Berman's fascinating article Is the Bible Egalitarian? Better: read his book, Created Equal:: How the Bible Broke with Ancient Political Thought (Oxford University Press, 2008).)

See Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Idolatry, ch. 1), who writes that Abraham wrote many books.
The evidence points to the phonetic alphabet originating in the Sinai and Canaan. The best I have seen on this is Samuel Kurinsky's "The Eighth Day" (Aronson), Chapter 12: Semitic Origins of Literacy. It is a simple matter to demonstrate where phonetic ("acrophonic") writing developed, but how early is another matter.
The way we write, researchers find, has a major impact on how we think. Cultures without literacy do not distinguish between fantasy and reality. Cultures that represent speech using pictograms (glyphs) are at an intermediate stage: They have some sense of history, but a very malleable one. That's because, when reading pictograms, we process information in chunks (parallel processing) so that sequence doesn't matter much. You can change the order of the pictograms and they still make sense. So cultures that do not use a phonetic alphabet don't really get the idea of sequence, so they don't tell real histories, where the sequence of events matters.
Phonetic writing forces the mind to think linearly. Sequence is everything and the phonetically literate culture reflects that. The importance of sequence of events is the hallmark of the Biblical narrative: Without the "Covenant of the Pieces," for example, the rest of the story doesn't make sense. Same with the Exodus or the Ten Commandments scene.
For more on this, see Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi's Tanya, Book II, chapter 2. See also Rabbi Isaiah Horowitz, Shnei Luchot HaBrit, Sha'ar Ha-Otiot.
See Chizkuni and others on this verse.
See at length: Nachmanides, Commentary on the Torah; Introduction to Genesis.
True, there have been variant traditions on certain of these details, as well as doubts concerning the original tradition in minor cases. The view of the Kabbalists is that whatever the Jewish people have ended up with is divine—since the revelation of Sinai never really ended in this regard. Certain Kabbalists have applied this idea even to the form of the page in the printed Talmud.
See Nachmanides, ibid
There's also much discussion about Joshuah's possible role in writing the last few verses of the Torah. The sages of the Mishna were divided about these verses, which describe Moses' death (see Sifri on these verses, and Talmud, Bava Batra 15a and Menachot 30a). Some say Joshua wrote them, others say Moses wrote them "in tears." The classic commentators continue the debate: Rashi cites both opinions, Ibn Ezra takes the view that Joshua wrote them "most likely towards the end of his life"--along with certain other verses—and Nachmanides begins his commentary with the assertion that the entire Torah is Moses' transcription.
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Al Cucchiara, PhD Changde, China May 31, 2017

I think it can be easily shown that for many centuries various experts and authorities have tended to give Moses the credit for writing Genesis, and this is done more as a default because no one has claimed ownership of Genesis. I agree with Rabbi Freeman that there likely existed another ancient scroll, perhaps written by Abraham, that was handed forward to the Israelites. It is logical to me that due to the confusion of lanuages at Babel, the traditional creation story could no longer be efficiently verbally communicated, and written language was invented to assure that the vital historical stories of the creation, the fall of man, the curse and the deluge were passed on to future generations. This is similar to how the Bubonic Plague had killed so many scribes in the 1300s that the Bible could not be reproduced in large enough numbers to meet the need of the church, and consequently, a believer (Gutenberg) was inspired to invent the printing press the following century. Reply

solo May 28, 2017

very confusing, my head is spinning. Reply

Shoshana Jerusalem March 5, 2017

The existance of Moses Everything that it says it the Torah (Five Books of Moses), is absolute truth and was written by G-d Himself. The "theological" and all the rest of them are only looking to destroy the truth.
WHY? In order to remove themselves from any obligation to listen to G-d and follow His commandments.

As far as references are concerned, I read but don't remember where, about an ancient people who wrote about a nation leaving Egypt with a great light in front of them. If you look in Google you'll also find an article that archeologists found the area that they are certain was Goshen, where the Jews resided in Egypt. There is no end to these findings, but it's too bad that you should waste your life looking for proofs. Instead spend it worshiping your Creator! Reply

Alfred Cucchiara, PhD Changde, China May 19, 2017
in response to Shoshana:

Shoshana, your reply is most appreciated. It is encouraging to hear from people such as yourself that are filled with faith and who are living in Jerusalem. Do you believe that someday the temple will be rebuilt and are you looking for the coming Messiah? Reply

Shoshana Jerusalem June 5, 2017
in response to Alfred Cucchiara, PhD:

Yes, of course the Third Temple will be rebuilt, and we pray that it will be speedily in our days, and the Messiah will surely come and we pray for this on a daily basis.

Every word of the Torah (Five Books of Moses) was dictated to Moses by G-d and nothing was lost or mixed up or anything like that, G-d forbid. Every word we have is absolute truth.

Here in Israel we are surrounded by the truth. About a half hour from Jerusalem is the city of Modiin, where the Macabees fought the Greeks, and proof of this is every place and our grandchildren are so excited every Chanukah because they live where it all began. And not so far away is the city of Mesubim, probably the original Bnai Brak mentioned in the Haggadah where Rabi Akiva had his Seder. Reply

Alfred Cucchiara New Mexico March 4, 2017

The existence of Moses as per the Talmud According to the first five Biblical books, Moses was a single character who was directly and significantly involved in a number of amazing events, including the miraculous exodus out of Egypt. Quite a few theological scholars and archeologists over the last 150 years persist in their relentless criticism of those of us who accept what the scriptures say, because in their opinion, there were three or four characters that did the things described in the scriptures, minus the miracles. Can you recommend any good sources in addition to the scriptures which argue that Moses was one person and not a collection of people? Also, are there any other ancient references to the plagues and the exodus? Reply

Tzvi Freeman Los Angeles November 13, 2016

There is no Israeli law permitting rape of gentile women. There was recently a typical blood libel in the media, taking the words of a certain rabbi and contorting them into a context that no one had imagined. Baseless nonsense.

On the contrary, the IDF is the only army where rape of the enemy is unheard of.

The terms "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are not religious inventions, but entirely secular, devised through a peculiar marriage of European, romantic nationalism and the science of the times. The Arab world adopted these ideas through an unholy alliance with nazi Germany.

Let's return to my point: The basis of everything good in our modern world can be found in the Hebrew Bible—the sacred dignity of all human life, tolerance for the other, the worship of peace and justice, and much more.

Today, we need those values more than ever, along with others such as the sacredness of the nuclear family, the vital role of the father, and a sense of mission in this world. Reply

Anonymous Europe November 7, 2016

thank you for replying, but present day has shown us that religious values need an update. Jews don't stone people anymore (prime example there), but i have also peeked into Israeli law regarding the rape of "gentile" women so how can you say that it's the outside world who is promoting inequality? The Arabs decided to uphold most of Leviticus and look at how they are doing.

And the free world isn't bombing Jews or Arabs. We make weapons, but the religious are more than eager to use it to win whatever "holy" war they're fighting today. I used to believe that holy wars were the wars we fought against demons in the afterlife (like Ragnarok), but instead we have humans who think that a being (God) who can do everything would never say or think:"You've done well, it's time to move on and stop killing echother."

I do believe in the personal God, but i reject the neverchanging childsacrificing God of all the religions that desires devotion even when it's completely unreasonable (Job) Reply

Shoshana Jerusalem November 5, 2016

to anonymous, Europe Nov. 2, 2016 Right, there is no basis for good except God and the Torah. Did you know that Aristotle believed in killing deformed babies by placing them head down in a flower pot and putting them out in the sun? Google "World Perfect" for some other shockers.

The suffering and murder going on in the world today in the name "religion" is unbelievable. These are barbaric people who massacre whoever is not their religion. They are slaughtering Arabs and Christians alike. Their religion is one of murder and this is what they teach their children. And don't forget the Inquisitions, the Crusades, the pogroms and the Holocaust. But if you follow the news you will see that Israel is the first one to send aid to the countries hit by earthquakes, floods etc. truely in the name of religion as written in the Torah. And Chabad is helping every place.

If you will read and consider honestly what Rabbi Tzvi Freeman wrote on June 27, (in the blue box) you will see that Hebrew is the oldest written language. Reply

Tzvi Freeman Los Angeles November 4, 2016

Re: the last paragraph Human beings can be very good, just by the nature of being human. They can also be brutal to those who are not members of their tribe, do not fit their roles, or otherwise have no worth in their eyes. Torah values allow competing societies to live together in harmony. In that way, they are the basis of a sustainable civilization.

Please read my article on this site, "Humanity, Humanism, Holocaust." An easy lesson in modern history teaches us what happens to a world that denies the basic values taught by Torah. Modern civilization and the kinder, gentler world in which we live was made possible when we embraced those values, particularly in the 17th century. When we stray from them, we ride the edge of the cliff. Reply

Anonymous Europe November 2, 2016

The last paragraph There is no basis for good exept God?
The desire to lift the suffering of someone should come,because you want to lift the suffering of someone and not because someone promisses you a trip to Disneyland.
Religious logic would tell me that, because i'm an atheist that i should fall into a state of chaos and immorality wich would cause me to kill religious people, right?
That's what they fear, but it's not happening, not when they have a book that forbids coexistence.
And it's very unjust, considering the age of religion, that it was there before the human concept of compassion.
And the fact that we have a better moral compass (no stonings) means that humans have replaced God.
It makes no sense to follow someone who has much worse ideas than you have and i'm willing to suffer eternally in hell fire for reducing the suffering in the world of which most comes from the inequality and inhumanity of religious people. Hebrew also isn't the first ritten language, please stop lying to yourse Reply

Anonymous August 8, 2016

there are a lot of ifs in the end, not conviced, about the chosen people thingy, it creates mass hysterias Reply

Shraga Feivel new york July 16, 2016

Problem with the above. While i am in total agreement with your point of view, I have a problem with the traditional view that the the 5 books are word for word dictated to or by Moshe. In parshas Chukas chapter 21, verse 3 it says that Israel conquered the Amalekites who pretended to be Canaanim and consecrated or segregated their cities and they named the place Hormah. This did not take place until Joshua's time and Ramban explains it (away) by saying that it was mentioned here prophetically to show that eventually it would happen, ie in Joshua's time. That's some pretty fancy footwork, and an Occam's Razorish explanation would be that the 5 Books were put together and parts authored after Bnei Yisroel crossed the Jordan.
The Hebrew word used is "V'hacharamti" which in my pathetically humble opinion translates to "I have consecrated" However a much more knowledgable source, the Saperstein Artscroll Chash translates it as "I will consecrate". What sayeth thou? Reply

Shoshana Jerusalem June 29, 2016

to M. Gewirtz 1, see Tzvi Freeman's answer in the blue box.

2, what you wrote about the Mormons is true, but as to the "serious scholars,": have they studied Torah like Rabbi Akiva? Or Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai? Have they studied and understood Rashi? The Rambam? the Ramban? Mikros Gedolos? Are they studying in Hebrew, an absolute necessity for a true understanding. If not, they cannot be called "scholars" at all. In truth, all of them together couldn't reach the ankles of our Sages.

I'm so happy that you mentioned the letter "mem", because the number 40 has great significance throughout the Torah and Talmud:a new beginning, and has a great spiritual power. A mikveh must be filled with 40 se'ahs. (a measure of water) Immersion in a mikveh is the consummate Jewish symbol of spiritual renewal. I'll send you the name of a book that discusses the spiritual meaning and shape of every Hebrew letter.

I'll ask my husband if the Torah was written in our Hebrew or ancient letters and let you know. Reply

Tzvi Freeman June 27, 2016

Age of Hebrew Alphabet The first samples we have of the "proto-Sinaitic" alphabet is from around 1900 BCE. This is the original purely phonetic alphabet to which all current alphabets in the world can be traced. There are traces of it in Ancient Egypt, but it first turned up in caves in the Sinai peninsula.

1900 BCE would put us before Abraham's times.

It's obvious to anyone with a little intellectual integrity that this proto-Sinaitic is really nothing less than the entire Hebrew alphabet. I referenced Kurinsky above (footnote 2) on this, but many others have published the same observation. Reply

Murray Gewirtz Brooklyn,NY June 27, 2016

to Shoshana (continued) Are you saying that the first Torah was written in the "sofer stam" style used today? You live in Jerusalem, the site of much archaeological excavation. You should therefore know, that the current squarish form of Hebrew letters wasn't used till approx. 150 BCE. It was based on the Aramaic alphabet. Before that, since the time of the first Temple, Hebrew was written in a considerably different style, now called "Paleo-Hebrew." This was almost identical to the Phonecian alphabet. These both descended from what is called "Proto-Canaanite," or "Proto-Sinaitic" lettering. The letters in these appear to have been influenced by some Egyptian Hieroglyphs. The letter "Bet" which meant "house," was made like a square, and had a "B" sound. The letter "Dalet," which meant "door," looked like a line (wall) with a door coming out of it, and had a "d" sound. The letter "Mem" which meant "water"(mayim)looked like waves, and had an "M" sound. And so on. Reply

Murray Gewirtz Brooklyn,NY June 27, 2016

To Shoshana: One doesn't always need to be "submerged" or immersed in all the minutiae of particular field or set of beliefs in order to judge its overall validity. Sometimes one can draw conclusions from the (faulty) premises of the set, and it's methods (faulty) of scholarship. For example, one need not know everything there is to know about Mormonism to see that it was founded on a fraudulent basis, and so cannot be taken seriously. Of course we cannot accept Torah criticism from just any "Tom, Dick, and Harry." However there are many serious scholars: historians, archaeologists, and other scientists who develop knowledge and educated theories about the Bible based on much study and evidence. They have often found that Orthodox Jewish traditions about who wrote the Bible, when, and what type of lettering was used, among many other opinions, are factually incorrect. You say that Jews the shape of every letter as written by Moshe at Sinai. [to be continued above] Reply

Shoshana Jerusalem June 25, 2016

unbelievable inaccuracy - Army June 22 Hebrew was always a written language. The Tablets as well as the entire Torah were written in Hebrew. The Torah was given 3,300 years ago and written down at that time. Way before then there were manuscripts written in Hebrew and studied in the tents of Shem and Eiver.

The Jews have always studied every letter and shape of every letter as commanded to Moshe to write it at Sinai. It always amazes me that people who have never studied the Torah and have no idea of what Judaism is come up with crazy theories.

Intellectual honesty requires a deep study of a topic before commenting on it. Would anybody with any intelligence at all come to conclusions on ancient Chinese medicine, culture, etc. without going to China and studying it from teachers submerged in those topics? So why does every Tom, Dick and Harry think himself an expert on Judaism? Reply

Army SF,CA , USA June 22, 2016

My book arrived today and I am dying to read it (1177Bc The 1st dark ages by Dr. Cline).
To answer some of the above questions, Hebrew is an old oral language that was only relatively recently written down (935BC). Why is this problematic? Moses and his tablets? What language was it written in? It certainly is wasn't Hebrew because Moses lived around 1600-1400BC or before the first dark ages, King Soldiers man existed (935 BC as Egyptian & Assyrian cuneiform exists mentioning him.

King Solomon existed for there Reply

Shoshana Jerusalem May 8, 2016

written Torah - E. Hoffenberg Moshe wrote the Torah on a scroll while they were still in the desert.
As a matter of fact, he wrote a number of Torah Scrolls, so that there would never be any mistakes in copying them, and every copy would be checked against the original.
Furthermore, Jews could always read and write. All the lies to the contrary are just lies. We were always a literate people. Reply

Edwin Hoffenberg Haifa,Israel April 21, 2016

I have full belief that the Torah came from God but my quandary arises in how the Word was written then and handed down to our generation,now in scroll form.When was there authentication,record authorship as there was with the Dead Sea Scrolls? God's Word can't appear as an abstraction without direct human action in writing.Please explain. Reply

Susan Michigan, USA April 3, 2017
in response to Edwin Hoffenberg:

Torah I too believe the Torah came from God, the creator of all things. It is "God-breathed" through God's chosen humans. Reply

suzy handler woodland hills, ca November 10, 2015

What difference does it make when the Torah was written as long
as we believe and uphold all the commandments? What an wonderful
possession that G-d gave to all. Reply

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