HOME | CONTACT US | DONATE LoginLOGIN Ask the RabbiASK THE RABBI
Chabad.org - Torah, Judaism and Jewish Info Ask the Rabbi
 
Chabad.org » Learning & Values » Questions & Answers » Ask the Rabbi » Latest Questions » The Big Picture » Were the Tennessee Firefighters Wrong?
PrintSend this page to a friendShare this
Comment24 Comments

Were the Tennessee Firefighters Wrong?


Question:

Recently, a family home in Tennessee burned to the ground while firemen watched—because the owner had not paid his $75 yearly fee to the fire department. I'm wondering what Torah law has to say about that.

Response:

The Torah doesn't speak explicitly about a house burning, but it does discuss another case from which we may deduce the necessary implication:
"Do not observe the ox of your brother or his sheep astray and hide from them. You must surely return them."1

The Talmud applies this rule to real estate as well: in a case where one sees a river overflowing and endangering another person's property, he must attempt to stop the water by whatever means are available.2 The law is cited in the Code of Jewish Law as a final ruling.3

In general terms, the law means that each member of a society is responsible to save the property of every other member. Obviously, a fire would be no different.

The ruling also states that the owner of the property is responsible to pay all expenses incurred. Several complications arise in this regard, but that's beyond our scope here.

In the case of the firemen in Tennessee, the question of civil disobedience arises. Would they be breaking a law by fighting the fire? Would they be stealing from the city by using the fire equipment to fight the fire? (It should be considered that the owner and his neighbor both offered to cover all expenses.)

It must be noted that Torah law recognizes those laws which a society creates for the benefit of its members. It would seem, however, that there is a requirement that these laws be just to the individual as well as to the group as a whole. It may be no coincidence that this event hit the news on the week when we read the Torah portion that relates the destruction of Sodom.4 The Talmud provides a fascinating description of Sodom as a city where cruel and perverse laws were instituted for the ostensible benefit and protection of the society as a whole.5

Additionally, the term "Sodom-like" is applied to those who say, "What's mine is mine, what's yours is yours,"6 or someone who kicks a squatter off his vacant property.7 In other words, "going by the book." The message is that such an attitude does not make for a sustainable society.

There is much more that could be examined and discussed here—these are only my immediate musings.

PrintSend this page to a friendShare this
Comment24 Comments
FOOTNOTES
1.

Deuteronomy 22:1.

2.

Bava Metzia 31a.

3.

Choshen Mishpat 259:9; Shulchan Aruch HaRav, Laws of Found Objects and Deposits 33.

4.

Genesis 19.

5.

Sanhedrin 109a-b.

6.

Avot 5:10.

7.

Bava Kama 20a.


By Tzvi Freeman   More articles...  |   RSS Listing of Newest Articles by this Author
Rabbi Tzvi Freeman, a senior editor at Chabad.org, also heads our Ask The Rabbi team. He is the author of Bringing Heaven Down to Earth. To subscribe to regular updates of Rabbi Freeman's writing, visit Freeman Files subscription.
All names of persons and locations or other identifying features referenced in these questions have been omitted or changed to preserve the anonymity of the questioners.

The content on this page is copyrighted by the author, publisher and/or Chabad.org, and is produced by Chabad.org. If you enjoyed this article, we encourage you to distribute it further, provided that you comply with the copyright policy.
 

24 Comments Posted  |  Post A Comment
Reader Comments
Latest Comments:
Posted: Nov 21, 2010
just cant shut up, and why does S.O. get the best
In most counties the south at, least, the police departments get everything they point at, while the fire/rescue- don't forget, that rescue is probably what takes most of their time from motor vehicles, etc. Still the sheriff's office gets to have paid people, (sometimes too many, not said very loud.) While, fire rescue is left to community groups.
Posted By Anonymous, none, no/no

Posted: Nov 20, 2010
Agree:not justice
to let burn a neighbor's home. But a charge must be billed to the home owner which must cover the expenses incurred and include a premium high enough to dissuade others from expecting a free ride at the expense of fee-payers.
Posted By Brian S, Simsbury, CT

Posted: Nov 19, 2010
considering brian's response
Thank you Brian for your comment;

Here is why I view this as I do. In the county where I live a portion of the taxes I pay go to the county volunteer fire department. There is also an access fee collected if a call is made. In other words, if I call the fire dept. they respond and I am billed for their services afterward even though I have already paid taxes for their services.

The same goes for EMS services.

Perhaps things are different in TN but it seems the process where I live is a more logical and humane approach for underfunded services.
Posted By Dovid, Linn, WV

Posted: Nov 18, 2010
In terms of Torah
A Jew is required to give tzedakah (charity) to a Jew who is destitute. So this is for relationships between Jews (different with a non-Jew if I am not mistaken), and is not chesed (kindness) as important? If a person has the ability and the opportunity to keep another persons property from being destroyed, I think he should do so. If he doesn't, he is partly responsible for the person becoming destitute.

"Do not put a stumbling block in front of the blind" is what comes to mind as well. The person who did not pay is the blind man. The authorities who did not remind him (I am assuming that they didn't, but that may be wrong) placed the stumbling block, and after he fell, the fire department just stared at him on the ground.

No, this is not justice.
Posted By Jens , Knoxville, TN

Posted: Nov 17, 2010
Fire Part 2
The price for joining the private fire service co-op, for that is essentially what it is, only after your house is on fire should be much greater than the standard rate. Much greater even than the break-even costs. There must be a punitive fee to prevent free-riders from joining only when needed. The COST of putting out a non-member's fire is actually the cost of lost dues payers who also will not pay until they need a fire department.
Posted By Brian S, Simsbury, CT

Posted: Nov 17, 2010
Taxes
Dovid: I do not believe taxes were involved in this case. If so, it would not be a case. The very reason for privatizing the Fire Dept. was that the tax base was not present to support it.

It is inhumane to do nothing as a neighbor's house burns, presuming that the fire was no more advanced than a fire in a house that paid the fee. BUT, it is impossible to have a private company available to put out fires on a need basis. It would be unaffordable. It requires everyone paying a small fee, that would allow for a professional and equipped fire service. Allowing people to "join" only when it is their house on fire is to misjudge the cost and pricing.

If an individual wanted to make an arrangement for a fire department fully manned and equipped to be at his call 24/7, clearly only the very richest would afford that! And it would be more expensive than just letting the house burn. By pooling resources a community makes a private FD possible. So, the cost for a nonmember must be.
Posted By Brian S, Simsbury, CT

Posted: Nov 12, 2010
In an interview with the home owner he stated that he had forgot to pay the fee. I understand how ths can happen. In many counties taxes and fees can be paid partially by a certain date and the remainder paid 6 months later. The county does not send a reminder notice and woe to those who forget.

Keep in mind as well that besides the fee there are property taxes that are collected for fire fighting. The home owner had paid his taxes on time, a protion of which went to the fire department. Denying service after paying taxes for the service is beyond reason. Anyone ever heard of mob related protection fees.
Posted By Dovid, Linn, WV

Posted: Nov 3, 2010
House burning in Tennessee
I think it was irresponsible and out of their duties to safeguard the life and property, but above all to prevent from others to be injured as well. Their duties are to protect not to collect. How do they knew whether they were able to pay the yearly required fees...?? How did they knew whether this was overlooked by the owner...? There are many ifs to this situation, yet the result is the same, no one should remain indifferent to the pain or distrees of their neighbor.
Posted By Anonymous, San Diego, CA

Posted: Oct 30, 2010
to Anonymous
If indeed you gave the woman in pain some of your medicine to help her, G-d bless you.

There are no laws of this city, state, country, or world that should prevent someone from aiding another in need. One must disobey an order not to help, and put the "fire" out! Man may make laws, but G-d, written, and oral Torah teach us what is RIGHT! If you have a problem with this, don't argue with me, speak with Him.

Even if you neighbor owes you money, and he has not paid, if you find a lost cow of his, or his barn is burning, you must help him.

Who does an act of charity help more, the recipient or the one giving, and thereby having the opportunity to perform a mizvot?
Posted By Dr. Harry Hamburger, Miami, Fl/

Posted: Oct 29, 2010
To mr Hamburglar
Sometimes, I wish we knew what people really needed, when i was seriously ill with pain post complex surgery, i was picking up a 3 mo supply of meds. Legal or not, i could hear the woman in the next booth, crying trying to call her doctor, etc in severe pain, because he had made a clerical error, could not get a hold of him until morning, all bandaged up--- exactly what i was getting nearly a truckload of, though mine the half strength dose,,---late evening ---i suppose i should be in jail, now.
Posted By Anonymous, ORD or PNS, IL/FL



 


The Big Picture
Is Tanya Too Demanding?
Protesting Israeli Occupation of Bethlehem
The Bible Reads Like a Soap Opera!
What's With Praying To A King?
What's Wrong With Mixed Services?
Can Someone Be Cut Off From G-d?
Is Jewish Pride Bad?
Were the Tennessee Firefighters Wrong?
Does G-d Really Care?
Is This a Sign or a Test?
Why Are Torah Punishments So Harsh?
Is a Jew Who Converts Still Jewish?
Why Are There No Female Judges in Torah?
Who Decides What is Modest?
Angry With G-d
Showing 2 - 16 of 208