Question:
According to Jewish law, how should a person react to homosexual feelings? Do homosexuals fit into the Jewish community?
Answer:
You ask about feelings and law. But feelings do not fall within the domain of
law. A person feels what a person feels. Then he has the power to decide
whether he will act upon those feelings or… not. This is the human experience:
desire, longing, wanting…and the law. Part of our development from childhood to
adulthood is creating for ourselves a moral compass. Something that's internal.
That which tells us right from wrong. And that moral compass is comprised of
myriad components, but must be firmly grounded, always, in a system of values.
For Jews, the all-encompassing system is Torah law. Torah law governs every
single part of living. And from the body of Torah law emerges a system of
values - general, societal and personal. Sometimes, it's easy; we feel an
affinity, for example, to the laws of tzedaka, or we feel a strong connection
to the laws of Shabbat or brit milah. And sometimes, we feel something quite
the opposite - we feel estranged or disconnected or personally deeply at odds
with a law.
We feel what we feel. Some feelings we can change, and some we can't. Sometimes
what we feel is subject to modification, and sometimes it's not. Totally and
unequivocally not. And yet, the law is absolute.
As much as we know about human sexuality, we don't yet know enough. We're all,
as individuals and as a society, still learning. In the last half century,
we've come a long way in our understanding of human sexuality, and in
redefining a cultural moral code. Some of what we've come to accept as a socity
is long, long overdue. And some of what we've come to accept undermines the
very dignity of human sexuality. But, we're learning.
We do know this, though: we know that among other sexual behviours, Torah law
expressly forbids the specific act of male homosexuality.
And we do know this: Torah law forbids bigotry; homophobia is prohibited.
And we do know this: too many Jewish girls and boys, Jewish women and men, have
suffered too much for too long. And we know that most of that suffering is
caused by the environment around them. We do know this: when we become judges
of another person, we behave contrary to Torah law.
And we do know this: A Jew belongs in a Jewish environment. Each of us,
struggling or not, needs to be in a truly Torah-observant environment. And each
of us is responsible for that environment - each of us is responsible for what
we bring to that environment. When we bring ignorance, or cruelty or
self-righteous judgment of others, we contribute to the sullying of a true
Torah environment. When we bring the most ideal principles of ahavat Yisrael,
respect for every individual, recognition of each individual's personal relationship
with G‑d...when we bring the best of our humanity, as expected by Torah ideals,
we contribute to a Torah environment that is healthy and wholesome.
Or perhaps your question is in regard to how we should react to the homosexual
feelings of others? Or how we should react to someone who eats on Yom Kippur?
Or someone who longs for the relationship with a man other than her husband? On
this, the classic work known as the Tanya provides strong advice: Consider what
it means to have such burning passions for forbidden fruit. Consider the day to
day fierce and relentless battle demanded to conquer such passions. And then
ask yourself, "Do I ever fight such a battle on my own ground?"
The Tanya continues to illustrate the many areas in which all of us can improve
by waging at least a small battle on our own ground.
On your question concerning community: A Jew belongs within a Jewish community.
There are no application forms and no qualification requirements. He's
Jewish—that's where he belongs. Period. We all have our challenges, our
shortcomings, our feelings...and our failures in battle as well...and with all
that, we are a community of Jews.
Chabad.org
All we have is a regulation on the manner in which two males should not have sex and based upon the exact words and our knowledge of Jewish attitudes thousands of years ago, the regulation most likely is directed at men who behaved like woman. Did this mean no cross dressing? Did it mean no "queens"? Is anal sex being like a woman? If it is against anal sex, is it limited to the top or to the both?
If the regulation means anal sex, then it obviously is not against "The Homosexual," as one can be Gay and have sex 5 times a day and never have anal intercourse. Ignorant people think that Gay Sex requires anal sex.
Beverly Hills
Los Angeles
Columbus, OH
Twilight Zone
Turku, Finland
Of course as human beings we have choices to make, we have free will, to act or not. It doesn't matter whether it's regarding homesexual feelings or feelings of rage.
Vancouver, Canada
Bloomington, Indiana
Toronto, Canada
Haifa
Bala Cynwyd, PA
You might want to consult with someone learned in the Torah, about what it means to discourage a fellow Jew from observing mitzvot,
Definition of pandering - to act as a pander; cater basely
My lifestyle includes such things as studying the Torah, Kabbalah, Chassidus, performing mitzvot, and not judging others.
It never ceases to amaze me, the lack of real understanding of what it means to strive to serve Hashem with joy & with awe, that I see on exhibition from those who hold themselves out to be "Torah observant" on the basis of them having completed a rigid education, and performing rituals rotely.
Kingston, NY
You might want to consult with someone learned in the Torah, about what it means to discourage a fellow Jew from observing mitzvot, or (heaven forbid) encouraging one to covert from Judaism.
Kingston, NY
JHB, South Africa
Toronto
Whoever uses "sodomy" has no basis for his translation and whoever uses "bed" likewise has no basis. Both strike me as an interpretation of the phrase which I thought (I could of course be wrong) is best translated "like a woman."
None of these translations, however, comes close to being a prohibition. At most, it is a regulation, and where there is a regulation, one may not invent a prohibition.
People who believe that every word of the Torah is literally true should pay attention to Maimonides.
"Say it aint so, Mo." Mo: "it aint so."
Beverly Hills, CA/USA
Marc's comments do speak volumes. It speaks to his ability to look into things beyond just the surface level. It shows that he doesn't take the text for granted or just believe what he is told. He seems to be an educated person with a deep sense of respect for truth.
I don't believe the Torah is the word of Hashem either, but it is part of my heritage and I enjoy it as a literature rather than scripture. It tells us a lot without being divine. All you have to do is read it with a critical mind and an adult perspective. Chumash with Rashi may be enough for a 5 year old, but when we are no longer children it behooves us to read the text as adults.
Baltimore, MD
Go look up 613 commandments, that is where I got this exact information and translation.
This is not my "own rendition".
And that you don't believe that the Torah is the word of Hashem speaks volumes. So why bother with it at all? Why not be an athiest? Or a buddhist?
Queen Creek, AZ
Your leap from that to "Not to commit sodomy with a male", is your own rendition, nothing more.
That being said, the book of Vayikra, as a whole, has always been a thorn in my side. It contains many of the highly ritualistic aspects of the priesthood, and seems to be the book most likely to have been edited by members of that class. This is only my opinion. I respect those who believe that the torah, as we have it today, is the direct and unaltered word of hashem, but i don't hold that belief myself, for a number of reasons. And no, among them is not, "to justify my behavior". I am more self-aware than that.
Futhermore, your labelling of homosexuality as an "issue", indicates any real understanding of the issue at hand, sir. Hashem made us in his image, you would do well to understand that better, before delving into the technical details and language of Vayikra.
Kingston, NY
boca ratom, fl
That is commandment number 103 out of the 613 commandments.
Very straight forward and easy to understand, so not sure how some on this board can justify homosexual activity and/or marriage.
Everyone has their issues that they have to overcome in this life- the key word being 'overcome'.
Queen Creek, AZ
Many posters are either intentionally or unintentionally twisting the wording in Torah or other places in Tanach. The problem is that the statements against homosexual behavior in the Torah are all elaborated upon by our Sages in the Gemara & other foundational books of rabbinical Judaism. They make clear that homosexual practice is unequivocally prohibited. HaShem says it's an abomination. Also, a man is only a full man if he has a wife.
The above "pro-homosexuality" comments seem to misunderstand Orthodox Judaism. One of its definitive practices is relying on the teachings of our rabbis in a continuous tradition. You can't rewrite thousands of years of established tradition & pretend to somehow be "more righteous" than a Jew who expresses the rulings of the Sages. If you choose to ignore the teachings of these rabbis, that's your free will choice. Nevertheless, a Jew is a Jew no matter their type of yetzer hara.
Los Angeles, California
Rabbi: Why haven't I seen you in Shul?
Man: I'm gay, I didn't think I'd be welcome.
Rabbi: (without skipping a beat) Why haven't I seen you in Shul?
Enough said.
Los Angeles
"Let's make man in our image." So you think that you know more about what the Creator wanted than the Creator?
Ms. S has never provided a single place where Torah forbids me to have sex with each other. The prohibition was invented by certain men who place their own bigotry over what the Torah says.
When people decide to change the Torah without any proof, they are acting in ignorance to harm other people. Harming other people because of one's own ignorance is sinful.
Beverly Hills, CA/USA
It seems that many people today think that the Creator could not possibly have forbidden anything that doesn't harm another person and which some people really want. I think that life itself should be more important than our sexual urges, and I do not mean to diminish the importance and degree to which our sexuality defines us. We must realize that Righteousness and Judgement belong to the Creator, and if we cannot fathom it, we must still have faith. I believe that is the foundation necessary to fulfill our purpose here
Austin, TX
I'd chose to be Gay, just I would chose to be Jewish.
I believe that my being Gay and my being Jewish are the same as winning the Mega Lotto twice on the same day. Who wouldn't chose to win the Mega Lotto?
What I would not like would be to be born a homophobe or an anti-Semite, and I certainly I would not chose to be either. I think the question is whether Ms. S was born prejudiced or whether she chose to be a bigot. Religiosity does not vitiate bigotry.
Beverly Hills, CA/USA
I read your comments with sadness that comes when a pressing issue such as homosexulaity/human sexuality is dealt with in such a superficial way when for so many of us it is a matter of Life and Death.
My I respectfull suggest you acquaint yourself with the writings of Rabbi Greenberg and others. Homosexuality is not a feeling nor a choice: it is who we are. No sane person chooses to live the life of an "outcast" or to become a de facto genetic cul-de-sac.
I am happy to chat further....
Shalom,
Portsmouth, UK
When the Torah has only a regulation of an activity, the Torah does not prohibit the entire conduct. By logic the general activity is permitted provided it does not violate the regulation.
There is no Prohibition on men having sex with each other and anyone who believes such a prohibition exists believes that there are 614 Commandments.
We do find that some modern Jews will mis-translate portions of the Torah to satisfy their personal beliefs. Deut 23:18 which is in strick parallel form refers to female and male harlots, but the phrase is often falsely translated as female harlot and sodomite.
KDSH MBNIT which means female harlot requires that KDSH MBNI be translated male harlot.
Los Angeles, CA
Berkeley, CA
Kingston, NY
The phrase makes sense when interpreted with our dislike/fear of men dressing like women. Other ancient peoples had effeminate male prostitutes who cross-dressed in their temples. We forbid that. The word to describe them has the root KDSH denoting that such prostitutes, male and female, were once considered holy by someone.
Times changed and as we all know, in those times WEAKNESS was a danger to others. Men behaving like women were mistakenly assumed to be weak. This may have begun with the Romans. Julius Caesar was joked at behind his back as he was a "bottom."
Those of us whom believe that we should neither add nor subtract a word from the Torah should realize that "like a woman" may not be ignored. If the Torah forbid men with men, these words would not be present. Thus, at most the phrase is a regulation about how men may not behave when having sex with each other.
Beverly Hills, CA
Berkeley, CA
i'm not trying to mince words here, really. it is mentioned once in the entire torah— the only other reference to sodomy is in beresheit (genesis) where the sodomites were trying to rape the angels in lot's house, which to me seems more about them being angels and rape rather than them being men.
atlanta, ga
Well, I don't lie with a male as with a woman. I lie with a male as with a male! I know the difference between male and female, after all. So there is NO prohibition of homosexuality. Very simple. Thank you.
Kingston, NY
providence, r.i.
There must be, has to be a way the community can come to an understanding that it's inappropriate to compare romantic feelings, within the context of a mongamous, loving and committed relationship, to other kinds of urges people have to do things that are forbidden.
How is it reasonable to say "I want to jump on my aunt's couch but I must not" and compare that to "I want to love and be loved in a committed, monogamous relationship but I must not?"
At some point we have to start using the reasoning capability G-d has given us.
If Torah forbade people to display green eyes in public, what do we do with all the people born with green eyes? It is very easy for people NOT born with green eyes to say "it's ok to have them, but youll just have to wear dark glasses your entire life." G-d cannot be that unreasonable. It should be a sin to assume He would be.
San Diego, CA
You have been mislead. No doubt the rabbi was straight and thus he gave you false and misleading ideas. His idea that men who prefer men do so because they were clinging to some prior life habit of liking men as they had been women is simply foolishness.
Rabbis are human and they are prone to the same errors as other people. Authority leaders often presume that they know about things where they are very ignorant. We Jews recognize this phenomenon when he hear about Catholic priests advising people about sex.
The same applies to rabbis inventing silliness about Gays. Unless they are Gay, they are ignorant about the subject matter. A wise rabbi would admit that he does not know how Gay people feel.
The greatest inclination that Bryona herself should over come is pontificating upon matters about which she knows nothing.
Being Gay, I find the rabbi's rendition about reincarnation and Gays to be nonsense. The Wise Men of Chelm would know better.
Beverly Hills, CA/USA
The reference to men not having sex with each other like with a woman is enigmatic at best. It is physically impossible for two men to have sex as a man has with a woman. It is unlikely the prohibition was implying that anal sex was the normal way to have sex with a woman. It is highly likely that it was a prohibition against men cross-dressing, but no one knows for sure.
If we assume anal sex was forbidden, that does not outlaw Gay Sex as most Gay Sex is not anal. No where does the Torah forbid homosexuality, and those who pretend that it does are adding to the Torah ideas which it does not contain. What we face is men substituting their bigotry for G-d's word.
Beverly Hills, CA/USA
Berkeley, CA
My love for the Lubuvitch way of life and spiritual guidance is not predicated on whether they agree with my philosophies. It just is.
Scottsdale, Arizona
Even the lower animals behave as G-d wishes. Should not those created in His image do so also? For man to lie with man, or woman with woman is an abomination before Almighty G-d.
We as mere humans cannot judge these matters.
We can know how G-d judges them by reading the Torah.
Do not do this thing called homosexuality. Should you die before discontinuing this awful practice, I do not know what happens then? Can someone tell me? I believe the person is GONE. Just Gone.
Asking is learning. Therefore I ask these things?
To whomever said, "This is between G-d and him... He is aware of his rebellion. G-d does not forgive rebellion. Look it up!!", I find that extremely foolish. We rebel against G-d in every way possible every single day; you have many problems of your own, as we all do.
When it comes to homosexuality, it wasn't an issue at the time the commandment was given. What was an issue were pagans who would invade towns and rape the men— see Sodom and Gomorrah. Note the commandment at the end of the Noachide Code— "Do not punish by these commandments". We have to read context. When a man loves a man, a gay relationship is OK, BUT like any hetero relationship, marriage is required.
Alpharetta, GA
bakersfield, ca
Pahoa, HI
Thank you very much for pointing that out to me. when i wrote that post i was trying to make a point and in the end it seemed i made two. I assure you that i in no way am i trying to say that two gay people living together should not have a loving caring and also sexual relationship in every way.
The point i was trying to make back there was that even the strictest of opinions cannot do anything as far as the Torah goes but say that anal sex is forbidden. The rest of the nonsense that is spouted is just pure ignorance and homophobia. In my opinion the Rabbis weren't even talking about gay sex over there. But that is a whole other discussion by itself.
I am not convinced that "like a woman" refers to anal sex. That interpretation assumes heterosexual intercourse is anal intercourse and that is not logical.
I tend to suspect that the regulation not to behave like a woman has to do with effeminacy and/or cross dressing, both of which were seen as signs of weakness.
Weakness is a threat to society and from my experience, men who fear that they are Gay actually fear that they are weak. When that myth is dispelled, they can exit The Closet.
Is it OK to have regs on Gay sex? Why not? There's a world more to being Gay than having anal sex; few Gays cross dress during sex. With over 2,000 partners, < 1% insisted on anal sex and 0% cross dressed.
Beverly Hills, CA/USA
Baltimore, MD
I appreciate your comment as i see you tried to keep a fair and balanced approach in it. I just want to make one point on what you said. The Torah doesn't say anything about overcoming your homosexual inclinations. The only thing it refers to in the chumash is that one must not have anal sex with another man. However if you look at heterosexual relationships there are also restrictions there such as nida. So a homosexual relationship is fine so long as one doesn't perform the actual act of sex. I don't know if this clarify s anything but it is a strong part of what i believe.
Johannesburg
coconut creek, fl
I did not act on ANY sexual tendancies until I was married. However, according to both religious and secular law, I am not married. I have had my one partner and her alone. I went through the marriage ceremony, though of course, not the blessing or license itself.
So, again, still confused.
Alexandria, VA
Just so you know as a gay Jew I have checked out jonahweb.org. I have also been to one of their affiliated programs in Israel for over a year. At that time i so badly wanted to change i would've given anything to be able to do so. After a year of intense therapy and group sessions the only result was coming very close to committing suicide. I would just like to ask you Anonymous how you could dare to promote an organization purely because they say they can change homosexuality. The entire American Psychological Association (APA) says that the therapy that Jonah uses is at best useless and at worst highly damaging. There are entire websites with people who have been through Jonah and their likes programs and come out of them very damaged - see www.exgaywatch.com. As a gay Jew who has been through the trenches i find your instant judgment of us obscene and disgusting.
Johannesburg, South Africa
I wouldn't change if I could, and if it is a choice, it's the best choice I've ever made. I'd chose to be Gay any time.
Remember the three G's: Gay,Good and G-d!!!
Bev Hills, CA
everything is explained there. No one is born gay. And no one chooses to be gay. Its something that develops by not having all your needs (physical, emotional etc.) fulfilled growing up. and it can be dealt with!
Chicago, IL
Bev Hills, CA
True people don't chose to be homosexual, but every one has the power to change!
check out jonahweb.org
Chicago, IL
Nu? Nachman of Bratslav gay?! Check out his biography. This troubled Tzadik struggled his whole life with fighting his true nature. Could this be why he died so young? There is music, beauty and G-d everywhere in everything----someday, Rabbi Nachman, when people stop judging others, they will have time to see the mysterious beauty in all things---whether they understand it or not.
Jerusalem, Israel
Gay people know recruitment cannot alter sexual orientation.
Some people are Gay -- even if they refuse to admit it to themselves. Their lives are psychological torment which they often express through becoming anti-Gay and becoming Gay Bashers. Paranoia is usually caused by one's being in the closet as to his own Gay feelings.
Closeted Gays do not realize that the Closet has glass walls and Gays can see what you're doing. You may fool yourself and Straights, but we've been there done that. We know the tricks, the lies, the deceits to "prove" that we're Straight. "There's nothing new under the sun."
Fear of recruitment usually means a desire to be recruited. Chances are it won't happen. There are too many sane Gays for us to entangle ourselves with closet cases. Your closet door will open only from the inside.
Bev Hills, Calif
"The key to the mystery of a great artist is that for reasons unknown, he will give away his energies and his life just to make sure that one note follows another... and leaves us with the feeling that something is right in the world."
-----Leonard Bernstein
Jerusalem, Israel
Clearly, the Torah was not in favor of slavery.
Los Angeles, CA
Anonymous asserts that "whenever someone expresses their feelings towards the homosexual community with anything other than complete love and acceptance, they are labled as nazis, bigoted, stupid, hateful, etc."
People compare the Jewhaters and Gayhaters with Nazis, etc. because they have the same thought patterns as Nazis. The comparison is applied to haters, not to people who do not love Gays.
BS and her associates exhibit Nazi thought patterns. They start with lies to exclude a group; they justify their lies by the mistaken belief that religiously inspired bigotry isn't prejudice; they advocate limited rights for the excluded group, and the more violent take murder Jews and Gays.
Right wing Jews, like Chabad, vilify Gays in the same way the pre-WW II Nazis vilified Jews. We saw the same pattern w/ Yidal Amir. Of all peoples, we Jews know that bigotry ends in murder.
Bev Hills, Calif
Note that the American Psychological Association today issued a report casting grave doubt on all the propaganda, religious and otherwise, that gays and lesbians can be "changed" by external intervention, and that such intervention often does grave harm to its subjects.
If Chabad stands for such "absolute values" and "absolute law" as Bronya suggests, then Chabad should be rejected as intellectually bankrupt and morally retrograde.
Portland, OR
Jerusalem, Israel
If he does not understand the hostility of people who are being set up as targets of hate, Mr. Rosenberg need not go back to 1930's Germany to gain understanding. He can see the results of Broyna's lies and Hate Monger by looking at Tel Aviv of a few days ago. Not only are two Israeli teens dead, but Bronya and her ilk have brought great shame on all Jews by their incessant hate mongering.
Kind words did not dissuade any of the murderers of the Jewish People in the past and they won't dissuade Bronya in the present.
Bev Hills, CA
I love the fact that you see no wrong in calling a homosexual wrong or perverted since your view is so "obvously" supported by the Torah. The only thing we know for sure that the Torah prohibits is the actual act of anal sex itself. The rest is all up in the air.
If i came on this site and wrote an article in concise, logical and polite terms why G-d hates all the Jews and that Jews were going to hell, without any name calling, how many people would post comments calling me the most insulting names imaginable.
So please don't be all high and mighty and ask why gay people are not more polite. If something that was so integral to your life was under attack then you would become very vicious as well. Please try to understand and respect what a gay orthodox Jew has to go through in order to keep to his beliefs and try to be the best Jew possible.
Johannesburg, S.A.
That said I have no idea what homosexuals go through since I am straight, but it isn't bigotry to state that "this is what Judaism says, but you should still treat those who go against it with respect." The Torah verse Lev 18:22 seems exceedingly clear that male to male Homosexuality is forbidden. Now there are alternative explanations but if one opens the book and reads it and understands it to mean that homosexuality is forbidden you can't turn around and call that person ignorant for doing so.
At the time this verse came about, male Gay sex was either Very Good or Very Bad depending on how the men had sex. Men who behaved like women, i.e. weak, effeminate, cross dressers, where seen as a threat to society's survival. Men who were vigorous and forthright in the male sexual encounters were seen as exceptional leaders.
Gilgamesh and Enkidu exhibited this value of male strength and the story of Jacob and the El recapitulates Gilgamesh in explaining why Jacob merited his name change to Isra-el. Alexander The Great exhibited the same trait as Gilgamesh and as David and Jonathan. Julius Caeser, who was reputed to be a bottom, however, was ridiculed due to the fear that he was too effeminate in his sexual relations. (Lev may be aimed at cross dressing and effeminacy.)
Thus, in regulating sex between males, Lev 18:22 chastised men who acted like women. It did not ban Gay sex.
Bev Hills , Calif
Third, Diaspora
The Torah has no ban on gays or on gay sex. BS has been repeatedly challenged to point to that portion of the Torah that supports her position and she has never found one.
Ignorance is a terrible thing, but BS is far beyond ignorant. Nazis who said Jews and Gays were inferior did not make an innocent mistake, but instead they were vile perpetrators of hate which lead to the genocide. For a Jewish person to push the same lies against Gays is a horrendous insult to the 6 Million Jews who were murdered due to such bigotry.
Beverly Hills, CA
Jerusalem, Israel
Raleigh, NC
Silver Spring, Maryland
And that moral compass is comprised of myriad components, but must be firmly grounded, always, in a system of absolutes. Absolute law. Absolute values. Torah.
That is so simplistic as to be positively alarming. Life is far more complicated than that. Do we in fact endorse Torah provisions for stoning, etc.? And treat *all* the 613 commandments as "absolute law"? In fact the Bible is a historical document, reflecting the views and atittudes of its time. Relying on so-called "absolutes" is in fact an abdication of individual judgment, individual moral responsibility, an escape from the dilemmas of being human. I prefer to live my life outside of the prison of such so-called "absolutes."
Portland, OR
Jerusalem, Israel
Tamarac, FL
HENRY: What do you mean "We"? Are you saying that you were homosexual but by consistently redirecting your emotions you became heterosexual? Bronya, there is NO -- zero -- scientific evidence that a person can change his sexual orientation. Gays can lie, hide, live in the closet. And many do, for obvious reasons. But no one has ever really changed.
BRONYA: "A person feels what a person feels. Then he has the power to decide whether he will act upon those feelings or not."
HENRY: Bronya, I fully agree. You are prejudiced against homosexuals. But you have the power to decide not to act on those feelings, and welcome all Jews, without judgment into our community.
silver spring, MD
Because her opinions are not based in Torah, neither BS nor you identified the so-called "homosexual act" or where that act is prohibited in the Torah.
Her ignorant prejudices, which are accepted by Chabbad, psychologically harm thousands of Jews, some who commit suicide as a result. Driving Jewish teens to commit suicide does not strike me as following the Yetzer haTov.
Bev Hills, CA
Los Angeles, CA
There is no homosexual act as Bronya pretends. Bronya does not care about the mental torment and suicides which her ignorant prejudices bring about. From what one can tell from her writing, she is only interested in aggrandizing her personal position, and if a few dozen teenagers offing themselves -- what's that compared to her personal status? Nothing!
Bev Hills, CA
It is up to us to obey God's laws or not obey them, we cannot skirt around them, no matter how natural they feel. In this society where anything goes, where people dont blink an eye at premarital sex or lewdness, people lie, slander and hurt each other for economic reasons, look at this society, ( american) and tell me we have not suffered for that.
We can call anyone we want bigoted if they speak out against homosexuality, but homosexuality is a great sin, yes im sorry but it is. in every religion and every culture, although it exists in every religion and every culture, it remains a sin, just as adultery, pedophlia and bestiality may occur worldwide, they are sins.
new york, new york
Morristown, NJ
Montclair, New Jersey
New York, New York
Beautifully written, "Gut gezogt."
Brooklyn, NY
Los Angeles, CA